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I'm working on my big 40k civilians fluff article

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/456751.page

And was wondering if anyone had done any writing aobut models for civilians?

I have some ideas but I'd like to hear what's out there.

I have seen civilian models down in the Infinity forums, let me just get them links:



http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/civilians-of-the-technoshpere.html

Hope this helps somehow?

Thanks I wasn't aware of them

Is Courtesan the social acceptable term for Prostitute ? Some nice models in there, I would like to see some more Civilian models, and things like Arbites etc, They would make for more interesting Guard Units, like the Penal Legions or Hive Gangs forced into the frontline.

Actually what i want is NECROMUNDA 2.0 . XD

Because to the proportions - the Antenocitis Workshop figures do not mix too well directly with GW figures. They are closer to realistic proportions.

Take a look at some of the various sci-fi civilian militia miniatures that are available. Foundry has a bunch, as do EM-4, Copplestone, Urban Mammoth (Scotia Grendel) and even some of the Mutant Chronicles stuff from Prince August.

http://wargamesfoundry.com/fantasy_ranges/single_packs/street_violence/?sector_id=&page=all

http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/Future_Skirmish.html

http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/range.php?range=FW (Same as EM-4 with pricing differences)

http://www.urbanwarthegame.com/acatalog/

http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/ (Much cross over with Urban Mammoth)

http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/index_warzone.html

A lot will depend on what you are making your civilians out to be. With a few exceptions, since miniatures are used to represent adventurers/fighters - most have some form of weapon and are doing something which is less civilian like. Works good if you want something like that - less helpful if you are thinking more along the lines of civilian life dioramas/vignettes.

The other thing to keep in mind is that GW has placed the evolution of each planet and its habits in a state of 'whatever'. You will have some planets where Renaissance styled clothing is all the rage, and others which might be more reminiscent of the Wild West. That being the case, you can really get away with pretty much any and all figures and then just use little details to make them fit. A 16th century ship captain with a bolt pistol in a holster on his hip. A 19th century bar tender with a bionic eye. Snag a scribe from somewhere like Reaper and place a servo skull on the base with them.

On the Arbites - the original ones looked quite a bit like the 2000AD Judges...Foundry and the new Mongoose stuff should give you something. Void/Urban Mammoth/Scotia Grendel has some riot police types in one of their factions (with shields, batons and shotguns). They make excellent arbites and leave the extra cheese of the Judges at home.

There were also suicide squads, though I don't recall for certain if they are still in production (Scotia would be the best bet on those) - it sort of fell out of favor in the last 10 years or so. That fits with the old school penal legion concept (which also fell out of favor once the target audience shifted to middle school kids from older kids/young adults).

On the hive gangs, any and all of the above really, depending on how your hypothetical gang is organized. Add into the mix companies like Heresy who do a pretty slick group of skin headed gangers with trench coats and big guns. They are a bit more realistic in proportions though then the figures listed above or GW.

I've been thinking of making this thread for days XD Nice damn links Sean! Though since GW still required 50-75% of each model to be of Citadel make, do any of you guys know of some older Citadel models that might fit this bill? (I am in fact very much considering making an army of hastily assembled civilians for a desperate + scared army -- thus why I hope you guys don't mind if I pick up where this thread left off.)

Also @ Sean...what do you mean the target is middle school-aged kids? I think most of the people I ever see at GW stores are grown ass men, rofl. This hobby is for folks of all ages... Just trying to understand how they could be targeting middle schoolers?

 Netsurfer733 wrote:
Also @ Sean...what do you mean the target is middle school-aged kids? I think most of the people I ever see at GW stores are grown ass men, rofl. This hobby is for folks of all ages... Just trying to understand how they could be targeting middle schoolers?

I would have to dig around in the Wayback machine to find the Annual Report where Well's states as much specifically - think it would have been in the 2006 or 2007 Annual report, but don't quote me on that. You can find the inference to who GW targets though in their "Hobby Center - Site Criteria" page:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=§ion=&pIndex=7&aId=3500005&start=8&multiPageMode=true

Demographic Criteria: At least 500,000 total population within 10 miles with 33,000+ 14- to 24-year-old males. Median household income is at least $50,000.

14-24 year old males is their target demographic. They prefer to get them hooked younger and string them along for one release cycle (which IIRC was said to be 4 years). A bit older than middle school perhaps - though it is still young enough that "mom" might object to the concept of Penal Legion Suicide Bombers.


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 Netsurfer733 wrote:
I've been thinking of making this thread for days XD Nice damn links Sean! Though since GW still required 50-75% of each model to be of Citadel make, do any of you guys know of some older Citadel models that might fit this bill? (I am in fact very much considering making an army of hastily assembled civilians for a desperate + scared army -- thus why I hope you guys don't mind if I pick up where this thread left off.)

As far as Citadel specific stuff - the Necromunda figures would probably be your best starting place. Many of them are rag tag militia types already. Barring that, if you can find some of the old RT era figures, there were a number of civilian types in there...as well as from a bit earlier than that when Citadel was producing the 2000AD figures (Judge Dredd and others).

Figures from the Dark Future range, RT Adventurers and Pirates all would also provide a mish mash of figures for pressed service.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

 Netsurfer733 wrote:
Also @ Sean...what do you mean the target is middle school-aged kids? I think most of the people I ever see at GW stores are grown ass men, rofl. This hobby is for folks of all ages... Just trying to understand how they could be targeting middle schoolers?

I would have to dig around in the Wayback machine to find the Annual Report where Well's states as much specifically - think it would have been in the 2006 or 2007 Annual report, but don't quote me on that. You can find the inference to who GW targets though in their "Hobby Center - Site Criteria" page:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=§ion=&pIndex=7&aId=3500005&start=8&multiPageMode=true

Demographic Criteria: At least 500,000 total population within 10 miles with 33,000+ 14- to 24-year-old males. Median household income is at least $50,000.

14-24 year old males is their target demographic. They prefer to get them hooked younger and string them along for one release cycle (which IIRC was said to be 4 years). A bit older than middle school perhaps - though it is still young enough that "mom" might object to the concept of Penal Legion Suicide Bombers.


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 Netsurfer733 wrote:
I've been thinking of making this thread for days XD Nice damn links Sean! Though since GW still required 50-75% of each model to be of Citadel make, do any of you guys know of some older Citadel models that might fit this bill? (I am in fact very much considering making an army of hastily assembled civilians for a desperate + scared army -- thus why I hope you guys don't mind if I pick up where this thread left off.)

As far as Citadel specific stuff - the Necromunda figures would probably be your best starting place. Many of them are rag tag militia types already. Barring that, if you can find some of the old RT era figures, there were a number of civilian types in there...as well as from a bit earlier than that when Citadel was producing the 2000AD figures (Judge Dredd and others).

Figures from the Dark Future range, RT Adventurers and Pirates all would also provide a mish mash of figures for pressed service.

Thanks for the response man! This is a hell of a long shot, but do you have any idea where i could find said RT era figure models besides ebay...? I dare to ask because I figure you guys on Dakka Dakka are way more in the know than I, lol.

Also I mean, do you think that because of the demographic that 40k is a 'kids game', in any way? Given all the grown adults that seem to love to play and all? I'm just curious what your thoughts are on this because I've never seen anyone mention what you have, heh. I honestly have always considered Warhammer to truly be a game for all ages (except of course kids that are too young).

(Additionally I totally have scrutinized the Necromunda range - and they are so close, but I just don't know if they convey a sense of fear, you know? I figure anything armored, or in uniform, or any models that look too crazed won't go for what I'm going for. I'm basically trying to capture a moment with my models - where one hardass of a general of Imperial officer actually shoves some guns into the arms of some civilians that most other officers would just die trying to protect without making use out of them, even in a desperate situation. It's clearly niche, but I would LOVE to be able to have an army that represented that even if it was only in one Conscript squad, you know?)

I image they would have to be a little more grimdark and anatomically incorrect than those infinity models.

90% of the civilians would either be farmers or factory workers. Maybe some miners, smiths and general street scum thrown in.

I've wondered about this from time to time as well. I looked for some awhile back but didn't turn up anything major.

I've thought about useing small groups of civilians as objectives points in games.

Like the loyalists have to hold a certain number of objectives at the end of the game to win. With the catch being that whenever the traitors "capture" an objective it is destroyed (civilians killed).

 Samus_aran115 wrote:
I image they would have to be a little more grimdark and anatomically incorrect than those infinity models.

90% of the civilians would either be farmers or factory workers. Maybe some miners, smiths and general street scum thrown in.

Most of the new chaos cultists in the DV boxed set are basically factory workers with guns. Some head swaps and weapons removal and you are good...

Tim

 Netsurfer733 wrote:

Also I mean, do you think that because of the demographic that 40k is a 'kids game', in any way? Given all the grown adults that seem to love to play and all? I'm just curious what your thoughts are on this because I've never seen anyone mention what you have, heh. I honestly have always considered Warhammer to truly be a game for all ages (except of course kids that are too young).

Who actually plays the game and who GW thinks they should target are two wildly different things (I have often said that GW has absolutely no clue what their target audience is...and they tend to prove it on a regular basis). For example, the above linked site information makes it clear who they think they are trying to sell to. However, a recent article which was linked to in the Discussions section of this site mentions that somewhere around half the US consumer base is made up of active duty or veteran military types. That would put the majority of that outside the demographic group which they are trying to sell to (as you must be 17 1/2 years old to enlist and the first year or so of your military career you are too busy with training to spend much time gaming...then until you get your first stripe or two you barely have spare money to pay your car note...let alone drop a few hundred on plastic soldiers - so most of them will be 20+ years old).

However, I do see an increased trend of gamers, at least in the US, viewing GW as a childs game and other games...either historical or games like Infinity are viewed as grown up games. Anecdotal and all - but I have a fairly large area which I can view of gamers who allow me to feel comfortable in that assertion.

 Netsurfer733 wrote:

(Additionally I totally have scrutinized the Necromunda range - and they are so close, but I just don't know if they convey a sense of fear, you know? I figure anything armored, or in uniform, or any models that look too crazed won't go for what I'm going for. I'm basically trying to capture a moment with my models - where one hardass of a general of Imperial officer actually shoves some guns into the arms of some civilians that most other officers would just die trying to protect without making use out of them, even in a desperate situation. It's clearly niche, but I would LOVE to be able to have an army that represented that even if it was only in one Conscript squad, you know?)

Probably look at the Empire Free Company then. While their head gear is decidedly period, you should be able to work around that with the bare heads from that kit combined with some additional heads from an IG box or two. Weapon swaps would be in order of course - but those are fairly straight forward. Toss on some other bits and pieces to make them look like a rag tag bunch who were just told to grab their gear from a pallet of equipment and pushed out onto the front lines. An ill fitting helmet, or a ballistic vest modeled to only be half on. Maybe a bandoleer type with some grenades hanging from it. Shouldn't take too much work to convert each figure - but I can't think of an out of the box choice for what you are looking for with the proportions that work with GW figures and the correct weapons.

More work would be to look at the various partisan and resistance miniatures that are available, some of them are WWII based...while others are based around other conflicts which featured enemy combatants strongly (VC, camel jockeys and the like). Metal and not GW - plus the wrong weapons...so you would need to grind those out. Probably not the path you are looking to travel in general.

Regarding the old Citadel figures - eBay is normally your best option...barring a lucky find at flea market (though since you sound like you are on the other side of the pond...you might call them boot sales). Generally speaking though, they are lost causes for picking up on purpose. You can often stumble on them, but a lot of people think they should be worth something more than anyone ought to pay for them. I actually finally through most of my RT era miniatures in the smelting pot a few years back as they were just in the way.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
Who actually plays the game and who GW thinks they should target are two wildly different things (I have often said that GW has absolutely no clue what their target audience is...and they tend to prove it on a regular basis). For example, the above linked site information makes it clear who they think they are trying to sell to.

Based on my own anecdotal evidence, I think the 14-24 age range is spot on, if not being generous on the "24" side of thing. I'm 26 and I'm one of the older gamers I see around, relative to the average age of people. High school aged is mostly what I see (high school in Australia = year 7-12). I'm certainly not the old fart gamer of the area, there's some guys in their 50s and a few dedicated hang abouts in their 30s and 40s, but if at any point in time you took a census of any of the local clubs or stores I'd say the average age would be high teens to low twenties and the mode would probably be around 15ish.

Funny. I never see any kids playing 40k around me. It's all old guys and young twenty-somethings. In fact, even at 18, I'm probably the youngest person there, most of the time.

40k players are an inquisitive bunch. I think people who are attracted to this hobby make it their business to dissect and examine every facet of the universe

Just a clarification, are you looking for civilian militia and armed malcontents, or are you looking for unarmed folks doing their day-to day jobs?

As has been shown, there are tons of civilian militia type figs our there. My best suggestion would be the void 1.1 line http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=217_218_59_67

The real challenge is finding unarmed civilian figs. Here's two that I have:

Gang member with cutting tool from Mega Miniatures.

Available here. http://freeboardgamesnow.com/gangmemberwithgrindingtool.aspx
Nice fig with no weapons, just a cutter. Scales well with GW.

Rosie Cryotechnician from Reaper

Available here:
Taller than most 40k figs, but not unusably so. Comes with hand option for a gun or a wrench, but has no other weaponry.
http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/Sci-Fi/price/50016#detail/50016_rosiewrench_front_jb

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
Who actually plays the game and who GW thinks they should target are two wildly different things (I have often said that GW has absolutely no clue what their target audience is...and they tend to prove it on a regular basis). For example, the above linked site information makes it clear who they think they are trying to sell to.

Based on my own anecdotal evidence, I think the 14-24 age range is spot on, if not being generous on the "24" side of thing. I'm 26 and I'm one of the older gamers I see around, relative to the average age of people. High school aged is mostly what I see (high school in Australia = year 7-12). I'm certainly not the old fart gamer of the area, there's some guys in their 50s and a few dedicated hang abouts in their 30s and 40s, but if at any point in time you took a census of any of the local clubs or stores I'd say the average age would be high teens to low twenties and the mode would probably be around 15ish.

I've found the opposite to be true at my FLGS...it's almost always neckbearded 20 and 30 somethings. (I myself am 25 but have never actually played a game at the store and prefer to do my gaming at home with friends.

Ah thread-cromancy...

But such well timed thread-cromancy!

I put up my article but haven't yet done the modeling section. Thanks for the ideas!

Parts 1 and 2
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Civilian_Life_in_Warhammer_40%2C000_AD

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Civilian_Life_in_40k_Part_2

Eventually it will look like my Civilian Vehicle article with fluff, modeling and rules.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Civilian_vehicles_in_40k

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
Who actually plays the game and who GW thinks they should target are two wildly different things (I have often said that GW has absolutely no clue what their target audience is...and they tend to prove it on a regular basis). For example, the above linked site information makes it clear who they think they are trying to sell to.

Based on my own anecdotal evidence, I think the 14-24 age range is spot on, if not being generous on the "24" side of thing. I'm 26 and I'm one of the older gamers I see around, relative to the average age of people. High school aged is mostly what I see (high school in Australia = year 7-12). I'm certainly not the old fart gamer of the area, there's some guys in their 50s and a few dedicated hang abouts in their 30s and 40s, but if at any point in time you took a census of any of the local clubs or stores I'd say the average age would be high teens to low twenties and the mode would probably be around 15ish.

Keep in mind - what you see in store isn't necessarily representative to who is buying and/or gaming. I actually plan my trips to the game store to generally avoid the crowd who hangs out there. Going on my lunch break or early on a weekend as opposed to at night. When I game - I game at home or in other people's homes...that way I can have a drink or three. The big thing about those types - is that they generally have a larger dollar value placed on their time and they also tend to have the disposable income to go with it.

My weekly gaming budget is likely what most the teenagers can manage to spend in a year - and I know that their are a lot more like me all around.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Ah thread-cromancy...

But such well timed thread-cromancy!

I put up my article but haven't yet done the modeling section. Thanks for the ideas!

Parts 1 and 2
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Civilian_Life_in_Warhammer_40%2C000_AD

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Civilian_Life_in_40k_Part_2

Eventually it will look like my Civilian Vehicle article with fluff, modeling and rules.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Civilian_vehicles_in_40k

Dude!! I gotta say I'm absolutely loving pouring through your stuff XD You're the man. I love how you actually put rules in for civvies and VIP's, *and* two scenarios. Really looking forward to reading the rest of your part 1.

Oh btw - as for the rules, yours totally work great - and in fact they're essentially the same as Conscripts basically, save for how they have no armor save. Damn shame that in a tournament I'd *HAVE* to give mine an armor save... I wonder if undergarment body armor may count? I can always just say that *shrugs*

Sean_OBrien wrote:

 Netsurfer733 wrote:

(Additionally I totally have scrutinized the Necromunda range - and they are so close, but I just don't know if they convey a sense of fear, you know? I figure anything armored, or in uniform, or any models that look too crazed won't go for what I'm going for. I'm basically trying to capture a moment with my models - where one hardass of a general of Imperial officer actually shoves some guns into the arms of some civilians that most other officers would just die trying to protect without making use out of them, even in a desperate situation. It's clearly niche, but I would LOVE to be able to have an army that represented that even if it was only in one Conscript squad, you know?)

Probably look at the Empire Free Company then. While their head gear is decidedly period, you should be able to work around that with the bare heads from that kit combined with some additional heads from an IG box or two. Weapon swaps would be in order of course - but those are fairly straight forward. Toss on some other bits and pieces to make them look like a rag tag bunch who were just told to grab their gear from a pallet of equipment and pushed out onto the front lines. An ill fitting helmet, or a ballistic vest modeled to only be half on. Maybe a bandoleer type with some grenades hanging from it. Shouldn't take too much work to convert each figure - but I can't think of an out of the box choice for what you are looking for with the proportions that work with GW figures and the correct weapons.

More work would be to look at the various partisan and resistance miniatures that are available, some of them are WWII based...while others are based around other conflicts which featured enemy combatants strongly (VC, camel jockeys and the like). Metal and not GW - plus the wrong weapons...so you would need to grind those out. Probably not the path you are looking to travel in general.

Regarding the old Citadel figures - eBay is normally your best option...barring a lucky find at flea market (though since you sound like you are on the other side of the pond...you might call them boot sales). Generally speaking though, they are lost causes for picking up on purpose. You can often stumble on them, but a lot of people think they should be worth something more than anyone ought to pay for them. I actually finally through most of my RT era miniatures in the smelting pot a few years back as they were just in the way.

....NOOOOOO!!! You smelted them!? Gahh!

Rofl - I say that because of all the things I've heard regarding how perfect those models would be for what I'm trying to do. Case in point, once I saw you say that I actually looked a model up, and look what I found...

http://stonecoldlead.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=150660595

...FFS. THIS is the quintissential idea of what I'm going for! a) There's no questioning he's from the future/40k universe. b) He's armed and comes off as barely competent in the use of his weapon. But most importantly c) ...HE'S SCARED SHITLESS! Lol - look at his face! This is *exactly* the sort of model I'm going for. ...of course the helmet would be something I'd want to improve on, and maybe file off his badges - but you get the idea!

Eilif wrote:Just a clarification, are you looking for civilian militia and armed malcontents, or are you looking for unarmed folks doing their day-to day jobs?

As has been shown, there are tons of civilian militia type figs our there. My best suggestion would be the void 1.1 line http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=217_218_59_67

The real challenge is finding unarmed civilian figs. Here's two that I have:

Gang member with cutting tool from Mega Miniatures.

Available here. http://freeboardgamesnow.com/gangmemberwithgrindingtool.aspx
Nice fig with no weapons, just a cutter. Scales well with GW.

Rosie Cryotechnician from Reaper

Available here:
Taller than most 40k figs, but not unusably so. Comes with hand option for a gun or a wrench, but has no other weaponry.
http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/Sci-Fi/price/50016#detail/50016_rosiewrench_front_jb

See the above link for what I'm going for^ XD But dude ty a ton for the links - I can use a fairly infinite number of them!! Got any more?

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
Keep in mind - what you see in store isn't necessarily representative to who is buying and/or gaming. I actually plan my trips to the game store to generally avoid the crowd who hangs out there. Going on my lunch break or early on a weekend as opposed to at night. When I game - I game at home or in other people's homes...that way I can have a drink or three. The big thing about those types - is that they generally have a larger dollar value placed on their time and they also tend to have the disposable income to go with it.

Yes, which is why I mentioned clubs as well. Though honestly I think it'd be hard to predict the average age of gamers unless GW decided to survey it's customers and share that information. I'm sure their targeting of the 14-24 crowd is based heavily off anecdotal evidence of shop keepers paying attention to the gamers who are buying stuff.

My weekly gaming budget is likely what most the teenagers can manage to spend in a year - and I know that their are a lot more like me all around.

No doubt my spending rate when I'm actually focused on the hobby these days is higher than it was when I was a kid (I started gaming when I was about 10 or 11), but since time is more valuable to me than money these days often I go months or years without buying something if I don't feel I had the time, overall I think I spent more on the hobby in my first 8 or so years (as a teenager in school with little money) than I have in the last 8 years (as someone slightly older with slightly more money).

Also I'm sure a large part of their demographic is the kids who get their parents to pay for it, I always saved my own money to buy my miniatures, which limited the rate at which I could buy stuff, but so often you'll see a parent come in to a shop to buy a box of models and then get suckered in to also buying a range of brushes and paints and glues.

Honestly I don't know what the real demographic of GW gamers is compared to their target and I couldn't say any good way of telling either, I just notice myself as an above average gamer in my area (at least in GW circles, get in to other games and I'm not so much).

Any chance that we can get a mod who is skillful in slicing threads apart to split these two conversations?

 Netsurfer733 wrote:

....NOOOOOO!!! You smelted them!? Gahh!

Rofl - I say that because of all the things I've heard regarding how perfect those models would be for what I'm trying to do. Case in point, once I saw you say that I actually looked a model up, and look what I found...

http://stonecoldlead.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=150660595

...FFS. THIS is the quintissential idea of what I'm going for! a) There's no questioning he's from the future/40k universe. b) He's armed and comes off as barely competent in the use of his weapon. But most importantly c) ...HE'S SCARED SHITLESS! Lol - look at his face! This is *exactly* the sort of model I'm going for. ...of course the helmet would be something I'd want to improve on, and maybe file off his badges - but you get the idea!

The look that you see as scared was really sort of indicative of the level of sculpting ability at GW at the time. It wasn't meant to be a scared look, rather a "hard" look. You also see similar expressions in the artwork of the time. Same goes for the weapon pose - if you notice the ribbon rack on that figure, it wasn't meant to be an amateur soldier...rather one which had seen its fair share of combat.

Since you no longer seem to be quite as focused on the GW figures as you were initially - there are a whole lot of figures which might work for you...and if that general style appeals to you for some reason...you may want to browse the catalogs over at Stuff of Legends, Lost Miniatures and the scans which are posted at Mega Miniatures.

Many are OOP now, however a lot of molds have been sold, traded or otherwise kept in production by different companies. In general, the older figures tend to be smaller than the new figures - but it can still be workable. Many are going to be with small shops that few people have ever heard of like Classic Miniatures.

HEre's a few more unarmed civies.

EM4: "Spacelords" civies.
http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/Civilians.html
5 vintage figs. A bit smaller than current 40k, but not unuseably so.

Tomerica games: Workforce heroes.
Technically it's a modern fig, but it could fit any era.
http://recreationalconflict.lusagi.com/toemerica.html
Each workman has options for gun or wrench.

The dealer "recreational conflict" has other civie figs, but they are more obviously modern day figs.

Brilliant stuff Eilif! I especially love the last picture in your 2nd link. That's definitely the sort of thing I'm going for.

@Sean - if you say the scared look was mostly just an inadvertant addition to the figurine, what might you advise to portray fear in your miniatures? (it's a serious question because with everyone making Space Marines, Necrons, etc. - they are always the ones trying to *be* fear inspiring, rather than the scardeycats XD )

Oh and also I am still hoping to lean on GW models and green stuff/etc, mostly because I would love this army to be tournament-ready. Otherwise I'd totally go through the time and effort with buying these other figures...but for now I'd rather just use them as inspiration, which this thread has been greatly helping me with!

Here's one that should be out in two weeks. (preorder now I guess..)

http://www.trench2114.com/products.html
Looks pretty good, but I think I would add one bit detailing to the mouth and/or head area just to break up the roundness. Would also be a great candidate for a head swap with one of the Pig Iron Kolony rebreather heads.
Maybe the head on the far left.

Pic borrowed from here:
http://www.tabletop-terrain.com/archives/2008/03/29/857/review-pig-iron-kolony-rebel-heads/

Bloody awesome - ty! Though I am still trying to go for more scared/fleeing/unarmored models for my stuff - but the more options I have available the better XD

(to that end, does anyone recall seeing fleeing models anywhere? I've only ever seen them in some of Forgeworld's size comparison pics. In fact it's that same effect/reaction I'm trying to portray on the battlefield XD )

EDIT: Case in point, this, from Forgeworld: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/xlarge/Fireelemcomp.jpg

Here's three more

Available as a set or individually for about $2,70 each here:
http://www.cpmodelsminiatures.co.uk/CP%20MODELS%2028MM%20SCI-FI%20NON-COMS.htm