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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 07:22:40
Subject: Aegis defense line
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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So I got an Aegis Defense Line kit for my birthday, and am currently improving it with all sorts of ork bits from my bitz box.
Its rules say that you get four long and four short pieces, and you have to place them "touching at least one other segment".
So, is there anything preventing me from scattering four pairs of walls over the board?
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 08:08:16
Subject: Aegis defense line
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Lord of the Fleet
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Depends how you read it.
If you place all the pieces in a single action then yes - you can have four pairs of walls.
If you place the pieces in turn then no, it would have to be contiguous (although you wouldn't actually be able to place the first piece....)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 08:12:48
Subject: Re:Aegis defense line
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Novice Knight Errant Pilot
Stockholm Forge District; Skandian Hive Collectives
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I would argue that it is quite clear, the Defence Line has to be deployed as a single entity (ie, unbroken line), however you may vary the shape of that line in any way you desire. So you may not split it into multiple segments.
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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/385168.page |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 08:54:44
Subject: Re:Aegis defense line
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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STC_LogisEngine wrote:I would argue that it is quite clear, the Defence Line has to be deployed as a single entity (ie, unbroken line), however you may vary the shape of that line in any way you desire. So you may not split it into multiple segments.
Care to quote a rule (or maybe even fluff) saying that? I'm genuinely interested in knowing whether splitting the line is an option.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 09:02:17
Subject: Re:Aegis defense line
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Lieutenant Colonel
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Jidmah wrote:STC_LogisEngine wrote:I would argue that it is quite clear, the Defence Line has to be deployed as a single entity (ie, unbroken line), however you may vary the shape of that line in any way you desire. So you may not split it into multiple segments.
Care to quote a rule (or maybe even fluff) saying that? I'm genuinely interested in knowing whether splitting the line is an option.
Rulebook Pg114 wrote:Composition: Up to 4 long and 4 short Aegis defence line sections. Each section of Aegis defence line must be placed in base contact with at least one other section
EDIT: In fact, it only has to touch one other section so spliting the line can be done.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 09:04:40
Subject: Aegis defense line
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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That rule does not say that, however
If you place X-X, Y-Y, Z-Z, T-T then you have complied with the rule, as every piece is touching at least one other section.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 09:09:43
Subject: Re:Aegis defense line
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Novice Knight Errant Pilot
Stockholm Forge District; Skandian Hive Collectives
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It's not expressively forbidden to do so according to RAW, as you say ''..Touching at least one other segment'' would allow you to split the defence line into 4 pairs (8 segments) and deploy those pairs wherever you want. Including placing the upgrade quadgun anywhere on the table.
As for RAI I would say that it looks very much as it should be deployed as 'a defence line' to provide a fixed defence point that is acctually defendable and not as a smattering of completely undefendable barricades across the table.
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I have a little hobby-thread going in the P&M section. Some say it's the best blog on Dakka, some don't agree, most belive it would be better if I finished at least one project some time this century and not just kept starting new ones.
Check it out, you just might like it.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/385168.page |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 09:09:50
Subject: Aegis defense line
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Lieutenant Colonel
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nosferatu1001 wrote:That rule does not say that, however
If you place X-X, Y-Y, Z-Z, T-T then you have complied with the rule, as every piece is touching at least one other section.
Exactly. Also, the fortification deployment rules seem to describe deploying each fortification as a single action so, imagining you could lift and place all the sections at once, spliting it is allowed because all the time the defence line is on the table, it is touching another section.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 09:18:15
Subject: Re:Aegis defense line
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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Jidmah wrote:STC_LogisEngine wrote:I would argue that it is quite clear, the Defence Line has to be deployed as a single entity (ie, unbroken line), however you may vary the shape of that line in any way you desire. So you may not split it into multiple segments.
Care to quote a rule (or maybe even fluff) saying that? I'm genuinely interested in knowing whether splitting the line is an option.
By Verbiage( BRB Page 114 "Each section of the Aegis defense line must be placed in base contact with at least one other section."); the Line can be Split into 4 Separate lines of Long and/or Short sections.
2 or 3 Sections is also Valid.
So long as Each Section is in contact with another section when you are finished Placing all available Sections(8 total, 4 Long and 4 Short), and the Terrain Density Rules are followed(the Whole of the line is considered 1 terrain feature for the 2'x2' grid of the table that most of it is in, No portion of the defense lines may be placed within 3" of another Fortification, etc); then any combination of Connected Aegis line sections and spaces are legal.
If you purchase the Quad gun for your line, it also does not have to be placed even anywhere near the Line.
Any attempt to read the Above quote as a restriction to have a continuous line because you have to place the line sections one at a time and thus will not be placing the third line in base contact with 1 or more sections during the placement will fail under logical Scrutiny: the Very First section that gets placed can never be placed in Base contact with any other sections, SO you cannot check that your sections are all in contact with at least 1 other section until all sections are placed(At which point 4 Pairs of sections scattered across the Whole Table will all be in base contact with at least 1 other section).
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Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the whole sentences.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/09 12:59:01
Subject: Aegis defense line
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Noise Marine Terminator with Sonic Blaster
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I think two pieces touching would be allowed. (i.e. multiple segments).
There could be all sorts of reasons for this being "fluffy" as well.
There could be breaks for allowing vehicles in.
I have seen the ADL deployed staggered in some pics, like this --__--__--
They could be tied into a piece of terrain. Say they are extending from both sides of a rock.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/11 20:18:29
Subject: < Taken by the void dragon. >
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Infiltrating Hawwa'
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< Taken by the void dragon. >
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/11 20:24:28
Subject: Aegis defense line
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Its right after the descriptions of deployment types. I want to say around page 120.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/11 20:28:42
Subject: Aegis defense line
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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I assume everyone missed the clarification in the FAQ stating the Aegis Defense Line must be dployed in an unbroken chain?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/11 20:28:57
Subject: Aegis defense line
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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Yup, top of page 120.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/11 20:29:02
Subject: < Taken by the void dragon. >
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Infiltrating Hawwa'
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< Taken by the void dragon. >
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/11 20:29:34
Subject: Aegis defense line
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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SoloFalcon1138 wrote:I assume everyone missed the clarification in the FAQ stating the Aegis Defense Line must be dployed in an unbroken chain?
This thread was from July, before the FAQ was released.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/12/11 21:32:01
Subject: Aegis defense line
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Dakka Veteran
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SoloFalcon1138 wrote:I assume everyone missed the clarification in the FAQ stating the Aegis Defense Line must be dployed in an unbroken chain?
Ya LOL good one Solo. So true. Theres a FAQ 1 line ....
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