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And half the time, people will be beating the gak out of you if they catch it.

But not if you're a cop.

Wait, they actually ask that question? Geeze, what douchebags...

I was liking your post until I read the "go get a jerb!" nonsense...

If you want to claim others have no clue what's going on with police, I'd say you need to shut your face about trying to find a job, because you don't have any recent experience on that apparently...

templarboy wrote: I really like how you cherry picked that one statement

I like how you didn't actually read my post and didn't pay attention to it when you tried to respond to it.

You know, like how I said:

Melissia wrote:I was liking your post until I read the "go get a jerb!" nonsense...

I did read your post. And then I got to the nonsense about "gert a jerb" and it ruined the entire thing. And... yes. One ignorant statement like that can, in fact, ruin a post. Posting paternalistic nonsense like "grow up" and "get a job" does not make your posts intelligent or knowledgeable. It makes them insufferably smug and arrogant.

Which you are. Trying to talk down to people like they're children just makes you sound like an obnoxious twit, it does not endear you to anyone, nor does it make anyone want to respect you. But it might make them ignore your worthless, nonsensical, and ignorant advice.

Actually, most of the time it gets little to no attention and the cops get away with a slap on the wrist at most.

And you think it isn't justified to mistrust police when you hear regular tales of corruption within the force?

templarboy wrote:Ya know what ya'll? I am done. Your ivory tower intellectualism

A cute way to try to dismiss everyone else's claims.

But cute does not equate with non-pathetic.

I don't even know if you are a cop, nor do I really care. But the fact remains that you are living in denial of the many, MANY problems that the police forces in the US, and indeed globally, have.

I have nothing against cops. I like good cops, and I know many of them. But that doesn't prevent me from pointing out that there are also a lot of bad cops. The combined effect of criminals who are willing to masquerade as cops and cops who are basically criminals in uniform means that being suspicious of the police force is perfectly reasonable.

That's why many sites recommend, for example, that when a woman is pulled over by a lone cop-- especially in a secluded area or at night-- you call dispatch to confirm the cop's presence. Most good cops will understand it, but some of the less competent ones will get upset. They are to be ignored.

2009 in Atlanta, Georgia had a group of SWAT officers charge in to a gay bar without a warrant, beating people confiscating their ID, forcing them to lay down on broken glass, shouting homophobic slurs and threatening to beat them to death, and kicking numerous patrons. The police department claims that they followed protocol despite the fact that no one in the bar was actually suspected of any criminal activity, and illegally searched everyone in the bar.

No officers were punished.


2009, Dolton, Illinois, a mentally disabled student was repeatedly punched in the face for not tucking his shirt in, slammed against a wall, and had to be physically forced off of the teen by student sand teachers.

His only "punishment" was paid administrative leave and quietly being asked to resign afterwards. He avoided the punishment due to him.


2010, Indianapolis, Indiana, a pregnant woman called 911 to help her friend who was having a seizure. She was thrown on the ground, repeatedly kicked, She was arrested, placed i na holding cell, and beaten until she miscarried, and was later admitted in to a hospital for severe cuts and bruises.

No punishment was given to the officer, and the department tried to cover it up. The court case is still on going.


In 2005 shortly after Hurricane Katrina, two incidents: A man was shot and then let bleed to death (The police officers present attacking anyone who tried to help), and then his body was tossed on a car and burned. Two days later, eight unarmed civilians were shot, including a mentally challenged man who was shot in the back. Two were killed, six more injured by gunfire. The officers came up with a cover story, planted a gun on the scene, and lied to the public about what happened.

Until the courts found the department guilty of cover-up, the cops were completely unpunished in both incidents. The police department tried to cover both of them up.


2011, Prince George's County, Maryland, a student was beaten and slammed against the wall repeatedly by cops in riot gear. They lied about what happened claimng the student attacked a police horse, but video evidence proved that it was police that did the assault and that the student did not attack any police.

The department attempted a cover-up, and officers were not charged or suspended until the FBI began conducting an investigation.


2011, San Antonio, Texas. An officer shot and killed a student who ran from him. It was later found out that the police department had a long record of the officer, and knew that he was dangerous and unstable with a history of misconduct, and yet they still decided to put him at a high school and give him a gun.

The lawsuit is ongoing. He faces termination, but no criminal charges.


2006, Fairfax, VIrginia. A man who was supposed to be arrested on gambling charges was shot in through the heart upon opening the door for police. He was known to be unarmed, and showed no signs of resistance.

No charges were filed.


2008, King County, Washington. A fifteen year old girl was brutally beaten by a police officer, who kicked her in the stomach, slammed her head against a wall, tossed her to the floor, hit her twice while she was on the ground ,then lifted her up by her hair and dragged her from the holding area away from the camera.

The city "encouraged" the prosecutor to drop all criminal charges, and the case ended in mistrial despite the clear and undeniable video evidence.


2009, Seattle, Washington. A man who was wrongly mistaken for an assault suspect was brutally slammed against a wall and mishandled after going unconscious. The officer lied about the event claiming he identified himself, when every witness to the case said otherwise. The victim was left brain-damaged and paralyzed from the waist down.

The officer was not punished, nor were any charges filed. Until the courts awarded a ten million dollar punishment in th civil case, no punishment at all was given to anyone.


2007, Washington, District of Columbia. A woman was beaten, tossed across a room at another woman, and had her head slammed in to a metal table giving her permanent brain damage. The police officer who assaulted her later filed false charges against her which directly contradicted the witness statements and video evidence.

The court case is ongoing, but the department has done nothing to punish the officer involved.


I could go on practically forever-- there's thousands of these incidents in the past ten years-- but perhaps, Templarboy, I don't need to? Maybe you notice the pattern here? Police departments have a long history of covering up for their fellow officers. Which really just makes them equally complicit in the crimes of their corrupt so-called brethren. The reason you see more incidents these days is because it's easier to prove them and get past the corruption-- video evidence submitted to the media is hard to ignore.

Or maybe you really are so deluded as to think this kind of thing didn't happen before when it was easier to cover up? These are CRIMINALS. Just because they also happen to be police officers doesn't mean that they don't deserve punishment. In fact, being police who are criminals makes them WORSE than the criminals they're supposed to arrest.

Again, Melissia beats the same dead horse while failing to address my point of reporting bias.

Your point is irrelevant to begin with, because just a single incident can damn an entire police department.

I never denied that most cops are good. Why do you act like I have, aside from wanting to live in denial of the fact that even good cops cover up the crimes of bad ones?

Jihadin wrote:like I said before...two sides of a coin in this. The impression though from some posters is that all law enforcements are bad.

I'm aware that templarboy wants to read that in the posts so that he can have something to be offended about.

He's wrong, and it doesn't exactly make him look mature in the process.

The "Blue Shield" effect does not make people respect cops.

Aren't we off topic now? I thought we were talking about police brutality and the fact that they almost always get away with it.

Whistleblowing amongst cops is at an even lower rate than any other industry I can think of.

A quick google search doesn't come up with a scholarly study-- I'll look deeper later. Although I do see evidence of police chiefs publicly intimidating whistleblowers, such as here:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/whistleblowers-in-fear-of-witchhunts/story-e6freoof-1226273270614

I was actually kind of expecting more in south Texas. I'm pleasantly surprised.

Of course, the cynic in me says they could have just been unreported.