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I'm currently thinking of using IG for my allies in my Space Wolves army.
My thought was to attach my Rune Priests and Wolve Guard to the IG units. I haven't read anything on this saying that I can't, but I wanted to get the "Dakka Worlds" opinion on this matter or maybe it is been FAQ'd and I didn't see it.

Thanks in advance.

Page 112 and 113 has your answers.

DeathReaper wrote:Page 112 and 113 has your answers.

Yup.

Are questions like this one being generated because people aren't reading the rules or because they don't havr a copy of the rulebook and are trying to habe them posted?

I have the rule book, but little time to read it! Some people just work more than others and figure that they'd ask the "non gakky" people who share the same hobby!

A lot of people are only reading parts of rules and deciding that those are the only parts that matter and if there are other rules that contradict them it doesn't matter since they haven't read that section.

If you try to do something that doesn't seem right read that section slowly and skim the rest. Usually you'll find the answer right there.

Speaking of pg 113, I had a little giggle to myself when I saw the SW / DA mix.

Guess I won't be buying any Ravenwing just yet

JonSpencer14 wrote:I have the rule book, but little time to read it! Some people just work more than others and figure that they'd ask the "non gakky" people who share the same hobby!

I can understand a Lack of Time; but this particular question would have taken you about all of 2 min to look up in the index(Allies, or Allies matrix), Flip to pages 112 and 113(Facing each other), look at the Chart following either the IG Icon or the SW icon to its opposite number, Then reading the rules for Battle brothers.

I said 2 minutes in the event that the reader is particularly slow at reading(do not take that as any impled reference to yourself).

There is seriously like 100 rules in the new book that I would leap to your defense about(as they require cross-referencing rules dozens of pages apart, sometimes separated by entirely different sections of rules); this is not that kind of question.

In his defence.... it's a pretty big book.
If you know where to look, and what you're looking for - sure, the rule itself is pretty quick and easy.

I guess the main thing that I was looking for in all of this was if I join WG or IC with IG will they get counter attack or just the SW model? I did look up the SW FAQ on GW and saw nothing there. I would assume yes, but I haven't seen anything in black and white. If this is in the rule book, forgive me, I may suck at reading comprehension!

I apologize about the previous question and for those of you that were offended by it. I really have little to no time to read the rule book. Work, kids and family. I have over 2500 points of SW, 1500 Salamanders and 2000 points of DE all unpainted!!!! If thats any clue as to how much time I do have! LOL

Thank you for your time and thank you Karlosovic for understanding my situation.

P.S - I am currently bringing my Rule Book to work and trying to get caught up on it all.

JonSpencer14 wrote:I guess the main thing that I was looking for in all of this was if I join WG or IC with IG will they get counter attack or just the SW model?

I apologize about the previous question and for those of you that were offended by it. I really have little to no time to read the rule book. Work, kids and family. I have over 2500 points of SW and 2000 points of DE Unpainted!!!! If thats any clue as to how much time I do have! LOL

Thank you for your time and thank you Karlosovic for understanding my situation.

See, now this is a question.

There are several parts, the answer cannot be found simply by looking up 1 rule; and I have Answers for you(That's right Answers, plural; because that is just how much of a question this is).


I will go with the Core question first: Yes, counter attack is one of the SPecial rules that an entire unit benefits from when a Single model within the unit has the rule.

Now Questions you didn't even know you asked: You cannot attach WG to any IG units, they are not on the List of units WG are allowed to split off and join.

Doesnt have time to look up rules on his own but, has time to log into a forum and post the question, then go back and respond to the question? Hmmmmm ......... Not trying to be a dink on this one but a little self discovery might have been a better option on THIS one.

Using my phone at work. Some people have other devices other than computers. Silly silly Dooley!

Thank you Kel.

Kommissar Kel wrote:I will go with the Core question first: Yes, counter attack is one of the SPecial rules that an entire unit benefits from when a Single model within the unit has the rule.

Now Questions you didn't even know you asked: You cannot attach WG to any IG units, they are not on the List of units WG are allowed to split off and join.

Ah this is a good point, and there's more to it.

Wolf Guard obviously can't lead Imperial Guard as you say, but most of the other Space Wolves characters can.
However, the current FAQ has ammended most of the Space Wolves Special Characters unique rules, and also the general Wolf Priest rules, so that they only provide benefit to units from Codex: Space Wolves.
This makes many of the characters a bit of a waste to use leading IG units, as half their abilities won't count.
The best bet is looking like either a Runepriest or Wolf Guard Battle Leader to lead IG units.
All the standard Space Wolf rules (Acute Senses, And They Shall Know No Fear, Counter Attack) that all Space Wolves have can be applied to an Imperial Guard squad that they lead.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
A 34-man scoring, counter-attacking powerblob that Knows No Fear would be pretty hard to shift off an objective

Kommissar Kel wrote:I will go with the Core question first: Yes, counter attack is one of the Special rules that an entire unit benefits from when a Single model within the unit has the rule.

My answer was bad and I should feel bad!

While counter attack only requires 1 model within a unit to trigger the effects; said effects only occur for models that actually have counter attack.

I didn't read the whole rule, just a cursory glance at it when posting my quoted post.

karlosovic wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:
However, the current FAQ has ammended most of the Space Wolves Special Characters unique rules, and also the general Wolf Priest rules, so that they only provide benefit to units from Codex: Space Wolves.

I can't see any mention of Fang of Morkai (sp?) in the errata, as that is the thing that conveys fearless to "any unit he joins", also you only need one model in a unit for the whole unit to have ATSKNF

TheTrans wrote:

karlosovic wrote:
However, the current FAQ has ammended most of the Space Wolves Special Characters unique rules, and also the general Wolf Priest rules, so that they only provide benefit to units from Codex: Space Wolves.

I can't see any mention of Fang of Morkai (sp?) in the errata, as that is the thing that conveys fearless to "any unit he joins", also you only need one model in a unit for the whole unit to have ATSKNF

Man Alive did this post confuse me.
First I was all like: "I said nothing of the sort!"
Then I was all: "Oh, he hadn't quite gotten the tags down yet, no prob."

ATSKNF, and the Fang of Morkai are not Unique rules to the Special characters.

Fang is on all Wolf priests, and even if it did not grant fearless to the unit, the fearless rule does.

ATSKNF has always been the way it is now.

karlosovic also pointed out that all of the general Space wolf rules would still apply to the IG units they get attached to.

In short; I am not even really sure why you posted, was there something that karlosovic didn't cover in the quoted post, or was there something you wanted to add to the discussion?