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As the rules are unclear on the exact order of events (and the FAQ didn't help, either), I come to you, oh YMDC...

Scenario:
unit of Necron Praetorians with a Dlord (carrying MSS) are engaged with TH/SS Belial and his Deathwing.
Dlord challenges Belial.

Now, do the MSS go off AT THE BEGINNING OF COMBAT?
Reason being, if they do, that means any of the other Terminators may be affected instead (random selection of model in b2b, and all)
If they go off AFTER the challenge has been issued/accepted, that means Belial will be the only one the MSS can affect, right?

So which way is it?
MSS --> Challenge
Challenge --> MSS
?

Page 9. Whoever turn it is decides which order it happens.

ohhhh shiiiii-
(BETTER GO FIRST, THEN)

I don't have the book in front of me at the moment, but I believe the wording says after all assault moves are made, but before blows are struck. That, to me, says that it will happen after challenges are made. Really, in the spirit of the game, that is truly what is intended.

The Necron FAQ says that it is made at the start of the sub fight phase (same time as challenges are issued).

Necrosis wrote:The Necron FAQ says that it is made at the start of the sub fight phase (same time as challenges are issued).

so because they both happen at the same time, the active player (the play whose turn it is) gets to choose the order in which the two happen?
...
I guess that's fair, but... *sigh*


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Hmm, how does it work (MSS with Jump Infantry) on the turn that the unit charges?
Would it be (on the Necron player's turn):
1-Declare charge
2-Roll for charge distance
3-Reactions (Overwatch)
4-Move models
5-Hammer of Wrath blows are struck
6-Declare Challenge
7-Activate MSS
8-Attacks struck in initiative order

Remember that the assault phase in divided in two sub phases. I would say Hammer of Wrath Happens after challenges due to it being I10 hit.

... wow, that's a really weird order.
(so they fly in, Dlord challenges the enemy character, beats him up... and then he and the Praetorians Hammer of Wrath the entire enemy unit... and then beat on them AGAIN at the normal attack step?)

*is still trying to wrap his head around the new rules*

Challenges are still fought at Initiative order. They are just declared at the start.

Necrosis wrote:Challenges are still fought at Initiative order. They are just declared at the start.

MSS go prior to the initiative step but if the victim succumbs, the attacks take place at his initiative step.

Cheers to this post! Handy to keep in mind when fighting my Necron friend.

jdcallirhoe wrote:Cheers to this post! Handy to keep in mind when fighting my Necron friend.

Rule of thumb: When fighting Necrons, if one of the guys with a Warscythe issues a challenge, DO NO TAKE IT.

skoffs wrote:

jdcallirhoe wrote:Cheers to this post! Handy to keep in mind when fighting my Necron friend.

Rule of thumb: When fighting Necrons, if one of the guys with a Warscythe issues a challenge, DO NO TAKE IT.

Why not? I'll be hitting him with Lysander. S10 Hammer, 3++ save, W4, Eternal. I need to fail 4 saves to die, Necro-WL need only fail 1.

... cause he'll use MSS on you and you have about a 50% chance of failing that check each turn.

skarsol wrote:... cause he'll use MSS on you and you have about a 50% chance of failing that check each turn.

SSSHHHHH!
(just let him think he's going to be fine, then let him find out the hard/hilarious way what happens when you accept challenges from Necrons)

Now, challenging Lord with Lysander on your turn can be valid tactic. Just make sure you didn't get Lysander B2B with the Lord and choose to resolve target of MSS before you issue Challenge.

Hey, here's a Mindshackle Scarab related question: if there are 5 Lords carrying MSS lining up against a 5 man Command Squad (say, piled in, all 5 lining up with each other), how does the random selection work?

Let's say each Lord can touch 3 Marines. Is it a case where, if a marine has already been randomly selected, he can/can't be selected again? (if he can, he does/doesn't have to test twice, if he failed the first one?)

You would randomize it for each lord, as in you roll for each one. So yes you could get the same guy more then once. Though if it does 2d3 hits or just d3 hits is another debate.

D3 hits, no debate. Given you get D3 instead of attacking normally, you dont get to normally attack twice....

So would a model that's been randomly selected twice need to roll leadership twice? (if he passed the fist time)

skoffs wrote:So would a model that's been randomly selected twice need to roll leadership twice? (if he passed the fist time)

Yes.

excellent, so it's still worth putting multiple Scarabs carriers in a unit.
much obliged.