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So I'm trying to finalize my army list, and thus my purchase list for my Red Hunters army.

Firstly, are vindicators useful in the new game? I was planning on taking one.

Second, are Predators still useful? I planned on taking 2 with autocannons/ heavy bolters. I haven't built any yet so I'm not committed to the loadout.

Last, is a Land Raider worth taking for my Assault Termies? Which loadout is best?

I've heard vindicators are even better than before now.

They are harder to prevent from firing without killing it completely, and they do full damage to vehicles with every shot (no partial hits for half strength anymore)

That said, they are likely to die sooner than before (3 glances or pens and its gone)... but vindis always died fast anyway so I don't see much change there.

My assessment of 6th edition is that the gun tank came out pretty well overall. Glances only removing a hull point means that gun tanks can't be shaken/stunned as often. Random weapon destroyed results means that the main gun will not always be the first gun to get destroyed.

Full strength for any vehicle under the template makes vindicators one of the best cheap anti tank options for space marines.

Auto/las preds are also fairly good for their points but to me it is vindicators all the way.

Vindicators are very useful now especially if you play Blood Angels. I'd go with what suits your list best, but for Blood Angels I'm going Vindicators all the way!

Vindicators are awesome, I no longer leave home without them.

Predators are pretty much unchanged, they're harder to disable with glances and can snapfire while moving, but there isn't a big difference. They are very useful with las though, because now AP actually matters with antitank.

And Black Templars vindicators are even cooler, getting POTMS and the ordinance blast improvements...

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:And Black Templars vindicators are even cooler, getting POTMS and the ordinance blast improvements...

Same with Daemonic Possession Vindicators from Chaos. The chance of stun/shake being brought down so much (due to it only being caused on pens) makes those upgrades a little less useful, but still worth it in my opinion. Vindicators got a nice buff with the new blast rules and lower cover saves almost everywhere, so my Iron Warriors are happy.