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So yeah. Got the Fantasy books today. Worked on a list I really liked. I'll explain what I think I'm doing after the initial list itself

Edit: this is the current list that we've concluded on so far.

2500 VC
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Lords (19.8%)
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Vlad Von Carstein

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Heroes (11.8%)
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Isabella Von Carstein

Necromancer(lore of vamps) lvl1
The Cursed Book
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Core (25.6%)
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40 Skeletons
FC
Flaming Banner

50 Zombies

50 Zombies

20 Zombies

5 Dire Wolves

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Special(25%)
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Spirit Host

Spirit host

40 grave guard
Great Weapons
FC
Screaming Banner
------------------------------
Rare(18.6%)
--------------------------------
Mortis Engine
Blasphemous tome

Terroghiest
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So what I'm thinking is I put Vlad and Isabella with the Grave Guard. and the Necromancer goes with one of the Zombie Blobs.

The Zombie Blob with the Necro just kinda....Chills in the back firing off spells.

The Skellys are my Anvil and the grave Guard are my hammer. The Spirit host are there to tie up stuff that doesn't have magic until I get my guys ready to attack whatever the Spirit host hold down. the Wolves are for Chasing down folks. The Zombies are.... well who doesn't love 120 Zombies? The Mortis Engine is there for the Tome bettering my Vamp Spellcasting and handing out Regen to my horde of Zombies. The Terroghiest is my big angry attention grabber.

So any thoughts?

1) Drop Master of the Dead, it only allows you to increase skeleton units beyond their starting size. You have 1 block of skeletons which makes it not all that worth it.
2) Make the Necro Lvl 2.
3) Make your Necromancer zombie bunker 20 zombies and take the remainder and add it to each of the other two zombie units. (so 50, 50, 20)
4) Do your Units have Full Command?
5) Give Skeletons the flaming banner.

They do not have Full command.


So i dropped Master of the Dead for the Flaming Banner in the skellys, but I don't know where to cut to make room for the lvl 2 on the Necromancer.

Updated list

2500 VC
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Lords (19.8%)
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Vlad Von Carstein

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Heroes (11.8%)
-------------------------------
Isabella Von Carstein

Necromancer(lore of vamps) lvl1
The Cursed Book
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Core (25.6%)
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40 Skeletons
Banner Bearer
Flaming Banner

50 Zombies

50 Zombies

20 Zombies

5 Dire Wolves

5 Dire Wolves
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Special(24.2%)
------------------------------
Spirit Host

Spirit host

40 grave guard
Great Weapons
Banner bearer
Screaming Banner
------------------------------
Rare(18.6%)
--------------------------------
Mortis Engine
Blasphemous tome

Terroghiest
-----------------------

You really should have FC on the skeletons, and the GG. Maybe drop one of the units of dogs and see what that leaves you?

Like this?

2500 VC
-------------------------------
Lords (19.8%)
------------------------------
Vlad Von Carstein

--------------------------------
Heroes (11.8%)
-------------------------------
Isabella Von Carstein

Necromancer(lore of vamps) lvl1
The Cursed Book
--------------------------
Core (25.6%)
--------------------------
40 Skeletons
FC
Flaming Banner

50 Zombies

50 Zombies

20 Zombies

5 Dire Wolves

------------------------------
Special(25%)
------------------------------
Spirit Host

Spirit host

40 grave guard
Great Weapons
FC
Screaming Banner
------------------------------
Rare(18.6%)
--------------------------------
Mortis Engine
Blasphemous tome

Terroghiest
-----------------------

It looks good to me, althou I have litel expereicen with the VC as whole

That looks better, how many points do you have remaining (if any)

None.

Also, I was wondering what everyone thought about using Vlad. I know I can make a killy guy that costs less or a Magic guy that....well costs the same but has better magic, but the reason I picked him was his Survivability. I am worried that since when our Generals die, the whole army starts going.... to pieces(couldn't resist) it would be easy for the enemy to just send wave after wave of mooks at the general, eventually bringing him down and disrupting the army. Vlad however looks to be damn near immortal, and he seems like he gets a little killy if Isabella Dies (and something tells me she will drop before he does). And the model is just awesome. I think no matter what I do, I'll be using that model for any Vamp Lord that isn't another named Character.

I cannot remember, does Vlad have a Ward save? I have not played with the Special Characters yet from the new book (I have all the models...) I have been meaning to, just have not yet. So I cannot advise one way or the other. Just be wary without a wardsave.

He does.

If I'm reading this right he has a 5+ armor and a 4+ ward save. His girl only has a 5+ armor though

well you can give a good melee lord a 4+ ward that will hit harder (and a 3 up armour if you wanted) I wouldn't use him honestly, but if you want to theres no harm done. The screaming banner on the GG is cool, but the banner of the barrows will net you more hits throughout the game. A unit champ in them will be useful to eat up challenges. Also, zombies raise a lot easier than skeletons, so have you considered dropping a few zombies and bumping the skeletons to 50? They will survive a bit longer and give you another rank or two(depending how you run them) and you wont miss the zombies : P

The mortis engine will give your skeletons a 6+ regen, which means if they are using spears they wont miss the parry save (unless they happen to come across flaming attacks. Doesn't happen too often.

Hope some of this helps. : )

Two lists now:

This is my original list

2500 VC
-------------------------------
Lords (19.8%)
------------------------------
Vlad Von Carstein

--------------------------------
Heroes (11.8%)
-------------------------------
Isabella Von Carstein

Necromancer(lore of vamps) lvl1
The Cursed Book
--------------------------
Core (25.6%)
--------------------------
40 Skeletons
FC
Flaming Banner

50 Zombies

50 Zombies

20 Zombies

5 Dire Wolves

------------------------------
Special(25%)
------------------------------
Spirit Host

Spirit host

40 grave guard
Great Weapons
FC
Screaming Banner
------------------------------
Rare(18.6%)
--------------------------------
Mortis Engine
Blasphemous tome

Terroghiest
-----------------------



This is the new list

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Lords (24.4)
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Vampire lord
Red Fury
Quickblood
beguile
Ogre Blade
Armor of Destiny
Enchanted Shield


Master Necromancer
lvl 4 Lore of Vampires
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Heroes(5.4%)
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Necromancer(lvl 2 Lore of Death)
The Cursed Book
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Core(27.2%)
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40 Skeletons
FC
Flaming banner

50 Zombies

50 Zombies

20 Zombies

5 Dire Wolves
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Special(26%)
------------------------------
Spirit Host

Spirit Host

40 Grave Guard
Great Weapons
FC
banner of the barrows
-----------------------------------
Rare(18.6%)
----------------------------------
Mortis Engine
Blasphemous Tome

Terrorghiest
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With list 2, you cannot have armor of destiny and enchanted shield, both are magical armor.
Take the armor of destiny, drop beguile, and then try to scrounge out some points from somewhere to give your Master Necromancer the Talisman of Preservation.

2 terrorgheists is the way to go. Im not sold on mortis engine unless your runnin a ghoul king and horde crypt horrors then its synergy. 1 terrorgheist gets too much attention. I like the recent list. Need to update the magic armour flaw. Each of your lords needs a ward save or keep master nec out of the line of sight of everything. Drop cursed book for dispell scroll. Some thing needs aura of dark majesty if you are running a terrorgheist. You can use the second terrorgheist to block line of sight if you want.


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Also with that many zombies you gonna want corpse cart

Ok.

So normal shield and no begile on the lord. But that doesn't give me enough points for a Preservation talisman. Just no more room in the Lord Section. I can get the 5+, but just don't have the points for a 4+


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Lords (24.4)
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Vampire lord
Red Fury
Quickblood
Ogre Blade
Armor of Destiny
Shield


Master Necromancer
lvl 4 Lore of Vampires
Talisman of endurance
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Heroes(5.4%)
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Necromancer(lvl 2 Lore of Death)
Dispel Scroll
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Core(27.2%)
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40 Skeletons
FC
Flaming banner

50 Zombies

50 Zombies

20 Zombies

5 Dire Wolves
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Special(26%)
------------------------------
Spirit Host

Spirit Host

40 Grave Guard
Great Weapons
FC
banner of the barrows
-----------------------------------
Rare(18.6%)
----------------------------------
Terrorghiest
Terrorghiest
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As it is, I have 12 points left over.

I like it. Send me a pm battle report. Im still on the fence about taking double lord. 5+ on necr lord is better than nothing. Also once youve played the lord and slaughtered everything you may decide that quickblood is overkill. I know it sounds crazy but I found that red fury aura of dm ogre blade got the job done just fine. Good luck

Ineedvc2500 wrote:I like it. Send me a pm battle report. Im still on the fence about taking double lord. 5+ on necr lord is better than nothing. Also once youve played the lord and slaughtered everything you may decide that quickblood is overkill. I know it sounds crazy but I found that red fury aura of dm ogre blade got the job done just fine. Good luck

Quickblood is not overkill. I run the same lord and you have to keep dice rolls in mind. With a lord built that way, I have had the dice screw me so badly as to only get 4 wounds (total) in an entire game with that lord. So I would keep quickblood just in case.

Instead of a Vampire Lord, try using a Ghoul King with Scabscrath. He always works well for me. I tend to be able to break enemy units with the Ghoul King alone (gets to use a shooting attack in HtH, gets his HtH attacks with infinite hatred, and red fury allows an additional HtH attack for each wound and infinite hatred he gets to reroll this as well. Just give him the anti fire helmet so he has a ward save vs flaming attachs since he has a 5+ regen save built in to his cost.

Wow yea rivet the dice gods hated you that game. I do like the ghoul king but its just hard keeping him alive however with dub terrorgheists screening him would be fun.


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Oh one more thing you could cut the champs out of units and that would free up another 20. They really arent worth it. Total 32? Maybe 2 fell bats? Just a thought

I do not really like the Ghoul King. Plus if you give him a magic weapon he loses poison.

Oh wow i didnt know that. The codex says he is equipped with a hand weapon and his special rules say "poisoned attacks" I thought regardless of what he had it would be poisoned. It does make since though seeing the magic weapon has its own rules. i just thought he was drooling on it or something

It is the same scenario where if you have a Vampire Lord in a unit with the flaming banner, he gets flaming attacks, unless he has a magic weapon, then the unit has flaming attacks and he has a magic weapon. His weapon does not gain flaming.