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I seem to be having problems killing either army (DE and BA). Usually within the first couple of turns I lose around half of my army. DE stacks dark lances that eat my tanks/troops pretty quickly along with 5 venoms and their splinter cannons. The BA is similiar and stacks a lot of multi meltas that make quick work of any tank I bring along with many heavy bolters. I have tried quite a few combinations and I can't seem to figure out what to do. The general strategy that the two opposing armies use is move 12 inches away from me and shoot. Any suggestions? Thanks!

([ play 500, 750, 1000, 1500, 1850 usually)

shmashed wrote:I seem to be having problems killing either army (DE and BA). Usually within the first couple of turns I lose around half of my army. DE stacks dark lances that eat my tanks/troops pretty quickly along with 5 venoms and their splinter cannons. The BA is similiar and stacks a lot of multi meltas that make quick work of any tank I bring along with many heavy bolters. I have tried quite a few combinations and I can't seem to figure out what to do. The general strategy that the two opposing armies use is move 12 inches away from me and shoot. Any suggestions? Thanks!

([ play 500, 750, 1000, 1500, 1850 usually)

Obviously these guys know exactly what you are fielding and are playing to counter you.

Upside for you is you know what they counter you with. Guy is fielding all multi meltas against you? Ignore armour, go DCA-spam with a Coteaz.

You need to shake your army list up properly. Not just make tweaks.
I always try to make fun army lists, but if my opponent keeps doing some type of spam to put me in my place every game... well, no one does spam lists as well as we do, and our spam lists are all a counter to something.

Purifier spam, psyfleman spam, DCA spam... or just a plain old terminator deep strike spam.

For going up against the DE run more troops/ purifiers, seeing as they don't get armor saves against bolters. Run less armor and make combat squad your strike squads so that the meltas and lances have more choices to shoot at while killing one man instead of your armor. Against the BA run more halberds and destroy them in cc with the +2 I boost and kill them first.

Okay, I'll try some of both. I have two games scheduled with them this week so hopefully they go better this time, thanks!