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focused witchfire is WITCHFIRE, IT MUST roll dice to hit if ther is no comment of hit.

and there is one question in my mind

Crush psychic said suffer a hit with 2D6 S, D6ap to focused target

does it mean you don't roll To HIT DICE??

That's how I've been playing it. You suffer a hit from the power implies you don't need to roll.

You cant roll to hit if youve already hit

A witchfire power must roll to hit unless it says the target suffers an automatic hit.

THX , I understand that


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and What about Psychic Shrek?

What about it, the target unit suffers a number of wounds, they don't even have S or AP values.

so You mean I don't roll to hit and roll to wound , right?

It says "suffers a hit." That means you dont need to roll as the unit is automatically taking a hit. Thats my interpretation anyway

Cant suffer a hit if you are missed

So, in PSYCHIC SHREK's case

the target unit suffers a number of wound...

And it means it already suffers wounds, so I dont have to roll to hit and wound. Right?

Seems to me that part of the witchfire power rules are that you must roll to hit unless you are using a blast or template, and with a blast you still do scatter as normal.

Without specifically overriding these they still apply, thus when an ability like Crush tells you that someone "suffers a hit" it means, after you have dealt with all the witchfire rules, including rolling to hit using your Psyker's Ballistic Skill.

You still have to roll to hit but if you hit it causes X amount of wounds where X = 3d6 - leadership instead of rolling to hit and rolling to wound as normal. You only roll to hit once for psychic shriek. Then you roll to wound causing X wounds.

Drunkspleen wrote:Seems to me that part of the witchfire power rules are that you must roll to hit unless you are using a blast or template, and with a blast you still do scatter as normal.

Without specifically overriding these they still apply, thus when an ability like Crush tells you that someone "suffers a hit" it means, after you have dealt with all the witchfire rules, including rolling to hit using your Psyker's Ballistic Skill.

Well, In case of Mindshacklel scarup, in inflicts d3 hit. So , following your opinion, Mindshackle scarup shoud roll to hit. Doesn't it?


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rogueeyes wrote:You still have to roll to hit but if you hit it causes X amount of wounds where X = 3d6 - leadership instead of rolling to hit and rolling to wound as normal. You only roll to hit once for psychic shriek. Then you roll to wound causing X wounds.

Actually shooting phase is

Set a target -> to hit roll-> to wound roll-> opponent's save roll

So I think if it suffers wound, ignore two steps (to hit &to wound)

And also I think 3d6- leadership is not "to wound roll" sequence. It is leadership test

MSS isnt a witchfire power. So no, witchfire rules requiring a roll to hit dont apply. Apples and oranges.

Oh, and SCARAB. Not "Scarup"

MSS does roll to hit.

And I would think that something that causes "hits" and "wounds" dosent require to roll for that step or anything before. I have no refrence (therefore my argument counts for very little), but thats what would make sense.

Erm, no, no it doesnt. It inflicts D3 hits by the model.

My mistake. I thought the wording was d3 attacks against his unit.

nosferatu1001 wrote:MSS isnt a witchfire power. So no, witchfire rules requiring a roll to hit dont apply. Apples and oranges.

Oh, and SCARAB. Not "Scarup"

Sorry about error,

So, "inflicts hit", "suffers a hit" or "suffers wounds" mean nothing on the rules?

The Witchfire rules require you to roll to hit. Have you rolled to hit?

Though you cannot inflict "hits" without hitting. If you inflict 1 hit at S-X and Ap-X and you miss the attack, then you cannot inflict the hit as per the psychic power rules. It just dosent make sense to me.

The why this thing is written?

manifesting witchfire count as firing an assault weapon (UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED)

Ummmm, maybe I don't under stand it?


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Vindicare-Obsession wrote:Though you cannot inflict "hits" without hitting. If you inflict 1 hit at S-X and Ap-X and you miss the attack, then you cannot inflict the hit as per the psychic power rules. It just dosent make sense to me.

Then MSS should roll to hit you mean.

My old Primaris Psyker had to roll to hit with his lightning arc because it is a shooting attack and does not specify anything about inflicting "Hits" or "Wounds".

Now psichic skriek says it inflicts "Wounds" per result of 3D6-Ld. - If it want'ed you to roll to hit it wouldn't have said anything.

Smite just says assualt 4 no inflicts "Hits" or "Wounds" so you have to roll to hit and wound with that power.

manifesting witchfire count as firing an assault weapon (UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED)

So IMHO it was noted in psichic shriek but not in smite.

I agree with shriek at the very least.