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Just a question to my fellow rules lawyer/lawyerettes (this may be have answer before): I am not seeing a page number to that restricts Zooming Flyers with the Deepstrike Special rule to deep strike (in an effort to bypass the restrictions on shooting after coming in from reserves). Is there any reference to ruling that when deepstriking there is a certain distance it is considered to have moved? My understanding from other posts is that it is said to have moved at cruising speed providing all the benefits of cruising speed. If so - that would only be 12 inches and if it moved less than 18 inches it would be destroyed - that would make Zooming flyers with the Deep Strike special rule pretty useless on a zooming and only zooming flyer would it not? Any thoughts? References?

You can DS fliers if they have the ability to DS.

Vehicles that arrive by DS are considered to have moved Cruising Speed P.36

You need to declare if you will be in hover mode or zooming for flyers with the hover type. P81

If Zooming, cruising speed is 18.00001-36 inches. P.80

Since DS counts as cruising speed you will not be wrecked.

Thanks so much for the clarification on cruising speed for fliers! My Necron buddy will be happy to hear this!

RAW deepstriking fliers is the silliest mechanic in the game. You deepstrike, have not moved 18" and instantly crash. Suicide planes anyone?

Cruising speed is not actually going 18" It specifically states you must move 18" rather than simply traveling at specific speed. Crusing speed is a classification that is granted from having gone 18"+ or having deepstruck, but is not the same as moving.

RAI you are perfectly correct DeathReaper. I just wanted to add that the rules promote suicide planes. Too bat the wreck isnt S10 AP1 on whatever it hits (it should be, S6 is kina weak)

DeathReaper wrote:
If Zooming, cruising speed is 18.00001-36 inches. P.80

I'm not convinced there's a between 18 and 36 inches to Zooming. The movement on Zooming was inconsistent with the other "up to this distance" moves and seemed to imply the only distances you could move while Zooming were 18" or 36".

zephoid wrote:RAW deepstriking fliers is the silliest mechanic in the game. You deepstrike, have not moved 18" and instantly crash. Suicide planes anyone?

Cruising speed is not actually going 18" It specifically states you must move 18" rather than simply traveling at specific speed. Crusing speed is a classification that is granted from having gone 18"+ or having deepstruck, but is not the same as moving.

RAI you are perfectly correct DeathReaper. I just wanted to add that the rules promote suicide planes. Too bat the wreck isnt S10 AP1 on whatever it hits (it should be, S6 is kina weak)

and what is cruising speed for a flyer?

Since it counts as moving cruising speed, you do not wreck because you count as having moved that distance.

Zooming Flyers count Cruising speed as 18" as opposed to (12")
Deeps Strikeing vehicles count as moving at Cruising speed (12" OR for Flyers 18")

At least I am PRETTY SURE thats how it works.

[Edit after thought]

QUOTE:
Just a question to my fellow rules lawyer/lawyerettes (this may be have answer before): I am not seeing a page number to that restricts Zooming Flyers with the Deepstrike Special rule to deep strike (in an effort to bypass the restrictions on shooting after coming in from reserves). Is there any reference to ruling that when deepstriking there is a certain distance it is considered to have moved? My understanding from other posts is that it is said to have moved at cruising speed providing all the benefits of cruising speed. If so - that would only be 12 inches and if it moved less than 18 inches it would be destroyed - that would make Zooming flyers with the Deep Strike special rule pretty useless on a zooming and only zooming flyer would it not? Any thoughts? References?

Out of curiosity did you attempt to look this up for yourself?

Dooley wrote:Is there any reference to ruling that when deepstriking there is a certain distance it is considered to have moved? My understanding from other posts is that it is said to have moved at cruising speed providing all the benefits of cruising speed. If so - that would only be 12 inches and if it moved less than 18 inches it would be destroyed - that would make Zooming flyers with the Deep Strike special rule pretty useless on a zooming and only zooming flyer would it not? Any thoughts? References?

Out of curiosity did you attempt to look this up for yourself?

As for the underlined, cruising speed for a Zooming flyer is 36 inches. and if it counts as moving cruising speed, it counts as moving whatever distance cruising speed is.

A Flyer with the Hover type must declare whether it is going to Zoom or Flover before it moves each Movement phase. P.81

So if you declare zooming then you are counted as having moved cruising speed, and that is more than 18 inches for a zooming flyer.

Which is why I questioned wether or not the OP took the time to research the question before posting it on the forum. All this talk about "suicide flyers" and "its useless to have a deepstriking flyer" would/SHOULD have never been brought up!

Dooley wrote:Which is why I questioned wether or not the OP took the time to research the question before posting it on the forum. All this talk about "suicide flyers" and "its useless to have a deepstriking flyer" would/SHOULD have never been brought up!

Right, sorry I missed that part.

DarknessEternal wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:
If Zooming, cruising speed is 18.00001-36 inches. P.80

I'm not convinced there's a between 18 and 36 inches to Zooming. The movement on Zooming was inconsistent with the other "up to this distance" moves and seemed to imply the only distances you could move while Zooming were 18" or 36".

That may be because there is no "between" . it is 18 or 36. Some folks just jumped to a conclusion for whatever reason.

As to the OP, "counts as cruising" means it is classed as having moved 36", so it will not crash.

hashrat wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:
If Zooming, cruising speed is 18.00001-36 inches. P.80

I'm not convinced there's a between 18 and 36 inches to Zooming. The movement on Zooming was inconsistent with the other "up to this distance" moves and seemed to imply the only distances you could move while Zooming were 18" or 36".

That may be because there is no "between" . it is 18 or 36. Some folks just jumped to a conclusion for whatever reason.

As to the OP, "counts as cruising" means it is classed as having moved 36", so it will not crash.

BRB pg 10 wrote:In your turn, you may move any of your units - all of them if you wish - up to their maximum movement distance.

The speed of a flyer is 18" for combat speed, 36" for cruising. You may move up to that distance, hence 0-18" for combat (really just 18" since you are forced to move at least 18") and 18.00000001- 36" for cruising.

The summary on movement for zooming flyers also states 18-36".

My apologies for thread-rez, but based off of the FAQ clarifying the 18-36" for Zooming... And because I'm partially lost with the back-and-forth...

Can I confirm that a flyer that deepstrikes counts as having Zoomed?

Are there any fliers that haven't had Deep Strike removed from their rules? I thought they were all errata'd to not have DS anymore (making the OP from 2012 irrelevant...)

I thought all flyers had the DS rule removed a FAQ or two ago?

I know the Necron flyers did, along with the Storm Raven. Not sure if there are any exceptions though.

Quanar wrote:
Are there any fliers that haven't had Deep Strike removed from their rules? I thought they were all errata'd to not have DS anymore (making the OP from 2012 irrelevant...)

Some of the FW ones do, at least for now.

With the release of IA3E2, Elysian Valkyries and Vendettas now have Deepstrike under their new deployment rules which are similar to C:SM Drop Pod Assault. Hence, why I'm bringing this up again lol.

Doh!

Forgot about FW.

bginer wrote:
Doh!

Forgot about FW.

Most people do.

 Enigwolf wrote:
Can I confirm that a flyer that deepstrikes counts as having Zoomed?

When bringing a flier in from reserves normally, I believe you choose the mode (Hovering or Zooming) before coming onto the board, or is there a restriction that they have to Zoom?
So in the case of Deep Strike, you could come in in Hover if you chose to (still counting as having moved @ cruising speed) or choose to come in Zooming (again, you still count as having moved at cruising speed, the FAQ clarifying this to be 18.01-36" making no difference, as you count as having moved over the minimum not to crash).

DSing vehicles count as moving cruising speed, so you can enter the board, via DS, in Zoom mode, as you will count as moving Cruising speed (18.1 - 36 inches).

...assuming your flyer still has the Deep Strike rule. Most (if not all) of the ones in regular codices have had it removed. Check the FAQs if you're not sure.

Thread nec but it seems a legitimate extension of the question.

Again, the only reason why I bring this thread-nec (and I'm aware that it is one) up again is because with the release IA3E2, Elysian Droop Troop squads mounted in Valkyries can Deepstrike with their transports, if I'm interpreting the rule right.

So because Deepstrike counts as having moved Cruising speed, a Flyer cannot Deepstrike into Hover Mode, correct?

It looks to me like its impossible to deep strike and drop a bomb in the same turn. Does anyone know if this is the case?

Maybe, in the case of the Blitza Bomma, its possible to deep strike to 1" away and perform a skreamin descent...

It would not be possible, as the Flyer did not move over the board, so there will be no place to drop the bomb.

 Enigwolf wrote:
Again, the only reason why I bring this thread-nec (and I'm aware that it is one) up again is because with the release IA3E2, Elysian Droop Troop squads mounted in Valkyries can Deepstrike with their transports, if I'm interpreting the rule right.

So because Deepstrike counts as having moved Cruising speed, a Flyer cannot Deepstrike into Hover Mode, correct?

Not Correct.

Vehicles in Hover mode can move cruising speed as well, so you can be Zooming or Hovering when you Deep Strike onto the board.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:
Again, the only reason why I bring this thread-nec (and I'm aware that it is one) up again is because with the release IA3E2, Elysian Droop Troop squads mounted in Valkyries can Deepstrike with their transports, if I'm interpreting the rule right.

So because Deepstrike counts as having moved Cruising speed, a Flyer cannot Deepstrike into Hover Mode, correct?

Not Correct.

Vehicles in Hover mode can move cruising speed as well, so you can be Zooming or Hovering when you Deep Strike onto the board.

The ruling states that you choose which flight mode they are in when they Deepstrike in before they move, but since you don't move them after Deepstriking anymore, you technically can't even select a flight mode. So what flight mode would they be in?

You select the flight mode before you move them (AKA Before you Deep Strike the Flyer).

The Deep Strike counts as having moved.