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I'm either blind and/or stupid but i cant find an answer to wheither using smash with a monster halving its attacks characteristic rounds up or down, also how does it interact with the bonus attacks for charging.

Round up. So if it's 3 attacks, then you have 2 smash attacks. If you are charging then it's 4 attacks, so again you have 2 smash attacks.

General rule is round UP, unlike fantasy where you round down. Havent got my rulebook in front of me, have a look for fractions, or similar.

p.5 "Dividing to Conquer" has the answer

The Infinite wrote:p.5 "Dividing to Conquer" has the answer

Thanks just what i needed.

copper.talos wrote:Round up. So if it's 3 attacks, then you have 2 smash attacks. If you are charging then it's 4 attacks, so again you have 2 smash attacks.

Actually Smash specifically says to half the Attacks characteristic not the number of attacks. So you can get bonus attacks from charging or weapons / wargear or anything else that grants bonus attacks.

So a Tervigon with 3 attacks gets 2 smash attacks. If he charges into combat, he gets his bonus attack, so 3 smash attacks. If he also has crushing claws he gets an additional D3 Smash attacks.

It also doesn't include bonuses for having 2 CCWs. So a DK making a Smash attack when charging(not that you would ever make a Smash attack) would have 4 attacks(3 base, halved to 2, +1 for charging, +1 for 2 CCWs)

You don't even have to use the "attacks characteristic" argument for that conclusion. Just follow the order of operations set down for these situations (pg. 2 "Multiple Modifiers")

First - Multiply/Divide. (halve the unit's attacks)
Second - Add/Subtract modifiers. (+1 for charging, +1 for two CCWs, +d3 for warp speed, +d3 for crushing claws, etc)
Last - Apply "set value" modifiers. (can't think of any off the top of my head for attacks at the moment)

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@Murrdox thx for the clarification.

Grey Templar wrote:It also doesn't include bonuses for having 2 CCWs. So a DK making a Smash attack when charging(not that you would ever make a Smash attack) would have 4 attacks(3 base, halved to 2, +1 for charging, +1 for 2 CCWs)

The reroll on AP would be good for AV13 - 14, where a single D6 for armour pen is asking a lot. You're losing just the one attack, after all, for a far higher chance of doing damage

I already have a reroll on AP thanks to my Greatsword.

So how would this work for a MC like the Dark Eldar Talos that has D6 attacks? Is the D6 counted as a 'set value' modifier? Do you roll a D3 instead?

PrinceOfMadness wrote:So how would this work for a MC like the Dark Eldar Talos that has D6 attacks? Is the D6 counted as a 'set value' modifier? Do you roll a D3 instead?

Roll a D6, then halve it (or just roll a D3 if you like), THEN add charge bonuses etc.

Grey Templar wrote:I already have a reroll on AP thanks to my Greatsword.

Thats true, but you also need to smash to be str 10 with the greatsword, otherwise you are just str 6 so your rerolls only help against light vehicles. Against av 12-14, you are probably better off going with full attacks from the doom fist.

What of the bonus attacks from the warp speed power?

HoverBoy wrote:What of the bonus attacks from the warp speed power?

You add them after you halve your base attacks. BRB Pg2 - Multiple Modifiers.

Oh yea tyrants are reeeeeaaallly buffed this ed.

HoverBoy wrote:Oh yea tyrants are reeeeeaaallly buffed this ed.

Actually tervigons got the bigger buff strictly in CC, imo. Tyrants were already scary in CC, this just made them more so..to the point of ovverkill in a lot of cases. Tervigons on the other hand got quite a bit more brutal and can be actually scary in CC rather than a tarpit.