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Since only certain unit types can go onto the 2nd level ruins (notably MC, Bikes are not on this list), can a Monstrous Creature charge a squad of infantry on the second level ruin?

For:
MCs uses the "Infantry" rules with the special rules .... (pg 48)

Against:
Pg 98 (Moving Within Ruins): " only Beasts, Infantry, Jetbikes, Skimmers and all types of Jump and Jet Pack units can move on the upper levesl of a ruin"

Knock the building down and force saves on the whole unit!

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Knock the building down and force saves on the whole unit!

That would work for a Building, but the OP specified a Ruin.

OP: No, the MC can not go to the 2nd lvl so he will find it really tough to get into base contact witha anyone on the second or higher level of a ruin.

Actually the rules allw you to classify a ruin as capable of carrying MCs and walkers, you just have to specifically state it can do so.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Actually the rules allw you to classify a ruin as capable of carrying MCs and walkers, you just have to specifically state it can do so.

So the default is that they can not move there, but you can classify terrain to say MC's and walkers can move there. Fair enough.

The best way to deal with it is if it looks like the creature/walker in question could fit in that place then it can go there. Obviously using WMS in cases where it can't actually fit because of pose(stupid Mawloc)

My friend was displeased when I told him since his base cannot fit in the 2nd level ruin that he cannot charge my units there. But then we house-ruled it so he can. Given that I don't see any ruins in the GW line where in the MC base can fit on without dropping, wouldn't this be a killing blow to MC in close combat?

I can just sit on the ruins getting my 4+ cover save and shooting him with my guns.

Unless he assaults another unit into yours, in which case the MC can take advantage of the 6" rule for assaults in Ruins(only need to be within 6" of a friendly model in combat to be able to fight)

Grey Templar wrote: Obviously using WMS...

I do not think that is a rule anymore, if it is, it is not called WMS anymore. (Or I missed it in the book, that thing has a lot of rules).

I thought that rule only applies to the model that is in base contact, you still have to be able to make your charge distance to the enemy base which you can't since your base can never be placed on the 2nd-level.

Nope, its still there. Page 11

Grey Templar wrote:Nope, its still there. Page 11

Thank you, in my quick search through the rules I missed it.