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Yup, we all know it but the Allies rules in 6th Edition, are making for some crazy Combo's. I can see Tournaments being Character based Tag-Team craziness, with lots of complimentary special rules. People keep telling me "It's okay there are that many combinations it will even itself out", however I am starting to see some quite horrendous combo's. I know it's fun at the moment, but wait till those Kerb Stomping combo's that people are working on come out at Tournaments and we will see some one way battles and suddenly it's less fun. Maybe they could have kept it to one special character? But whats done is done and there will be much tears and stomping of armies.

Check the 40k tactics section. There's about a dozen threads on allies.

Yeah but I'm not after that I'm after a discussion on whether this is a good or bad thing really....

I mean Lysander and Mephiston potentially on the same board at the same time on the same team.

Telion leading Elite Wolf scouts? (Can this even happen?)

What about the likes of Sicarius with Vulkan?

Black templars working alongside librarians from other chapters?

I am fundamentally asking, do you think this will work out for the better or for the worse, because I genuinely am not sure which way it will play.

mwnciboo wrote:

Black templars working alongside librarians from other chapters?

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That will never happen. Says right in our codex: NO ALLIANCES WITH DIRTY PSYKERS

mwnciboo wrote:
Telion leading Elite Wolf scouts? (Can this even happen?)

Can't happen, Telion is an upgrade character.

mwnciboo wrote:
What about the likes of Sicarius with Vulkan?

They're already in the same Codex...

mwnciboo wrote:Black templars working alongside librarians from other chapters?

Can't happen except for Grey Knight Librarians, who are Allies of Convenience anyway.

mwnciboo wrote:I mean Lysander and Mephiston potentially on the same board at the same time on the same team.

I'm gonna go ahead and say "so what". Mephiston isn't AP2 anymore and any cover saves are going to be worse. Shoot the choppy ones and all that.

d3m01iti0n wrote:

mwnciboo wrote:

Black templars working alongside librarians from other chapters?

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That will never happen. Says right in our codex: NO ALLIANCES WITH DIRTY PSYKERS

Except for the Grey Knights, they're A-OK!

The one that jumps out at me is a Tau/Daemon army. Can't really think of a situation where those two would team up.

Dark angels and ..well any alien army

Think the BA's brofisting with Necrons was bad? How about having Kantor and his Crimson Fists team up with Orks? Or have Ghazkhull and Yarrick in the same army?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:The one that jumps out at me is a Tau/Daemon army. Can't really think of a situation where those two would team up.

Considering the Tau were gullible enough to believe they killed Slaanesh after facing down one of his/her/its champions, I think it's pretty safe to assume that the Tau will believe just about anything! (especially when the Changeling is playing the role of Ethereal! )

Sure they have little to no warp signature, however that doesn't prevent them from being manipulated by a Daemon that's taken on an human like form or else acting through another individual behind the scenes...

Dark Eldar list taking Eldrad and 10 Warlocks, then joining 2 Shadowfield Archons to the unit. Run the 2 Archons closer to the enemy at all times (2 makes it way hard for the enemy to work the angles), and then Fortune the unit every turn. Good luck killing anything from the unit when you have to filter all the wounds through re-rollable 2+ Inv saves.

Most people aren't playing double force org, though. In regular games you can potentially outmaneuver the Archon. And that's still a metric ton of points. Getting pretty close to Paladins + Draigo, no?

Grey Knight Paladins go very nicely with Orkz, I've found. Paladins act as a hard as balls threat, while the Orkz have plenty of low cost options to fill out whatever roll is necessary after that.

Also, Paladins and Nob units are total BFFs. You get a unit of each coming up the table, and your opponent will definitely start to panic.

Mannahnin wrote:Most people aren't playing double force org, though. In regular games you can potentially outmaneuver the Archon. And that's still a metric ton of points. Getting pretty close to Paladins + Draigo, no?

True to a point. With 2 Archons it's far harder to outmaneuver them and get the shots you want. And while it's certainly in the neighborhood of Draigo and Paladins, but is faaaar more survivable if you're good at positioning the Archons in the correct places.

What does a double force org have to do with anything? You can put Eldrad, his Council, and 2 Archons on the table at 1500pts, no double force org required.

Fafnir wrote:Grey Knight Paladins go very nicely with Orkz, I've found. Paladins act as a hard as balls threat, while the Orkz have plenty of low cost options to fill out whatever roll is necessary after that.

Also, Paladins and Nob units are total BFFs. You get a unit of each coming up the table, and your opponent will definitely start to panic.

Nasty they may be, but congratulations: those two units are the better part of your army. Target priority isn't a problem when there are hardly any enemies on the board to shoot at.

Grimtuff wrote:Think the BA's brofisting with Necrons was bad? How about having Kantor and his Crimson Fists team up with Orks? Or have Ghazkhull and Yarrick in the same army?

*shudder* Pedro would never do that. He would never ally with an orc. Never! My Crimson Fists will only slaughter orcs... that being said yes there are way too many "no way" ally choices available.

Locclo wrote:

Fafnir wrote:Grey Knight Paladins go very nicely with Orkz, I've found. Paladins act as a hard as balls threat, while the Orkz have plenty of low cost options to fill out whatever roll is necessary after that.

Also, Paladins and Nob units are total BFFs. You get a unit of each coming up the table, and your opponent will definitely start to panic.

Nasty they may be, but congratulations: those two units are the better part of your army. Target priority isn't a problem when there are hardly any enemies on the board to shoot at.

At 2000 points, I can fit in 2 units of 7 Lootaz and a Bikerboss. It's proven to be very troublesome, such a combination. The Lootaz may be a smaller threat, but if you ignore them, they put holes in entire armies. The Warboss works similarly. What's more, if you take even a moment to take out the other targets and don't manage to slow down/stop the Paladin's/Nobz, it only takes one of them breaking your lines to crush most armies.

Put Space Marine Captain in a IG Blob Squad w/ a Commissar and wait for the failed leadership test.

Mohoc wrote:Put Space Marine Captain in a IG Blob Squad w/ a Commissar and wait for the failed leadership test.

That would be awesome. Now I really have to buy a comissar and put one of my captains in the same squad with him.

Worse stick in someone that makes them stubborn. Like I don't know Pedro Kantor.....With his +1 Attack in a 12" bubble if memory serves?

even though the tau consider the orks beneath contempt i'll be buying some crisis suits... some kind of troop and an hq jsut to get the broadsides in with my orks... oh you want to attack my broadsides... well my meganobz might have somehting to say abotu that

Mohoc wrote:Put Space Marine Captain in a IG Blob Squad w/ a Commissar and wait for the failed leadership test.

or for funzies do that with marneus calgar, and "choose" to fail your Ld test...

Deadnight wrote:

Mohoc wrote:Put Space Marine Captain in a IG Blob Squad w/ a Commissar and wait for the failed leadership test.

or for funzies do that with marneus calgar, and "choose" to fail your Ld test...

lol



Had to think of that one immediately.

Panzerboy26 wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Most people aren't playing double force org, though. In regular games you can potentially outmaneuver the Archon. And that's still a metric ton of points. Getting pretty close to Paladins + Draigo, no?

True to a point. With 2 Archons it's far harder to outmaneuver them and get the shots you want. And while it's certainly in the neighborhood of Draigo and Paladins, but is faaaar more survivable if you're good at positioning the Archons in the correct places.

What does a double force org have to do with anything? You can put Eldrad, his Council, and 2 Archons on the table at 1500pts, no double force org required.

It is worse with harlequins.

pretre wrote:

Panzerboy26 wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Most people aren't playing double force org, though. In regular games you can potentially outmaneuver the Archon. And that's still a metric ton of points. Getting pretty close to Paladins + Draigo, no?

True to a point. With 2 Archons it's far harder to outmaneuver them and get the shots you want. And while it's certainly in the neighborhood of Draigo and Paladins, but is faaaar more survivable if you're good at positioning the Archons in the correct places.

What does a double force org have to do with anything? You can put Eldrad, his Council, and 2 Archons on the table at 1500pts, no double force org required.

It is worse with harlequins.

I don't know that it would be. Granted, Eldar Harles still get the old Veil of Tears, but the Warlocks will be more resilient in close combat thanks to the 4++ instead of a 5++, aren't vulnerable to things that ignore cover saves IF the enemy does manage to get an angle off the Archons. Plus, Witchblades are still decent weapons, they don't go through armor so much but they pile the wounds on, and can still mess up tanks and walkers (no more str 9, but 2d6+3 for every hit in a world where 3 glances kills 95 percent of tanks dead still translates into dead tanks when they're rolling 30 attacks hitting on 3's).

Most importantly, being in a Warlock unit allows access to Enhance, affecting the Archons as well, and MOST importantly Embolden. Being able to re-roll Leadership tests, including Psychic tests, is huge for a unit that has that many points invested in it.

Cheaper and the 2+ cover makes up for the lack of enhance. Your unit already wrecks anything walking, don't know har you need enhance as well.

mwnciboo wrote:Worse stick in someone that makes them stubborn. Like I don't know Pedro Kantor.....With his +1 Attack in a 12" bubble if memory serves?

The Commisar grants Stubborn to the unit, plus you can add one to a blob (Platoon) as an upgrade so it takes nothing from the FOC.
The down side is if you do fail a Morale Check the Commisar executes the Captain (Summary Execution: "execute the squads current Commander" "This is the model in the Squad with the highest leadership" "The executed model is immediately removed as a casualty REGARDLESS of number of wounds remaining."

As for Combos...Deathwing with an allied Codex Marine Libby. Libby casts Null Zone and the DeathWing TH/SS termies eat you for lunch...please reroll all invul saves. For troops bring C:SM scouts and plant them on your Aegis Defense line. Now your using the scout SGTs (or Telion) BS to shoot down fliers with the guns Skyfire USR.
IG gives GKs the punch they lack. A CCS with 4 melta along with a Melta Vet Squad gives GKs the true anti-tank they have been missing. Add a Manticore for the S10 pieplates (with the new template rule!) to bust parking lots and TW Cav.
Or reverse the order. Yeah, you gotta do something about those IG tanks and pieplate launchers...But Mordrak and dudes just dropped in the middle of your line and some nasty AP3 GKs are moving towards your exposed troops.
Lysander in any Army will make Challenges suicide. And if you dont issue/accept his S10 hammer will insta-kill all them Nob Bikers in the first round.

At 2000 points, I can fit in 2 units of 7 Lootaz and a Bikerboss

thought you could only have one elite choice from an allied detatchment? You using orks as the main body of the army?

dkellyj wrote:

mwnciboo wrote:Worse stick in someone that makes them stubborn. Like I don't know Pedro Kantor.....With his +1 Attack in a 12" bubble if memory serves?

The Commisar grants Stubborn to the unit, plus you can add one to a blob (Platoon) as an upgrade so it takes nothing from the FOC.
The down side is if you do fail a Morale Check the Commisar executes the Captain (Summary Execution: "execute the squads current Commander" "This is the model in the Squad with the highest leadership" "The executed model is immediately removed as a casualty REGARDLESS of number of wounds remaining."

And that was exactly the original point of the idea. Don't tell me that you don't find the idea of a comissar executing a marine captain hilarious.

Sorry completely missed where you were going with that one! lol But year a Space Marine Captain being executed would be hilarious to behold. That is some serious balls on a Commissar to do that to a SM Captain.