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Okay, i played against an ork player last night and am pretty sure he wasn't playing all the rules properly. So here are my questions.

1) Ghazkull's waagh. How long does it last? He was claiming that it lasts for 2 full game turns. Im pretty sure it doesnt but he was adamant that it did and was getting annoyed that i kept trying to find it in the rules so i just let it go. And also, exactly how does the waagh interact with the new rules?

2) Can a big mek attach to a killa kan squad? He is infantry and killa kans are walkers so i dont he can. And if he has a KFF, what is the cover save on it? He was taking a 4+ which seemed pretty high.

1) Essentially one full game turn. Waagh gives the Orks Fleet, with a codex specific disadvantage that is clarified in the Ork FAQ. Ghazghkull's Waagh also makes Orks Fearless and gives him improved saves.

2) No. 5+ cover (it was 4+ for vehicles last edition, though).

Ghazgkull's Waaagh! lasts for two player turns. For example if I Waaagh turn 2, and if Ork's went first, it could cover Ork Turn 2, and Opponent Turn 2. If Orks went second, it could cover Ork Turn 2, and Opponent Turn 3. It is not 2 game turns! It says right in Ghazzy's rules "Ghazgkull's Waaagh! lasts the remainder of that player's game turn, and all the following player's turn" (Page 58).

Waaagh does what it always did, makes Orks fleet for a turn. However, what Fleet does has changed. You can no longer run and then charge. Instead you can re-roll run moves, or re-roll assault distance. You still take a wound if you roll a 1 (i.e., a 1 on either dice for assault range) for either of these moves, even if you then re-roll it.

Afraid I haven't got a copy of my 6th edition rulebook handy, so I can't check the exact working for Independent Characters joining vehicle squadrons. Though if it's like 5th edition, he cannot.

Kustom Force Fields grant obscured to vehicles within 6". Obscured is a 5+ cover save in 6th edition. It grants a 5+ cover to non-vehicle units.

1). One game turn. So if used during your turn it will last until the end of your opponents turn. No longer. Works fine with the new rules giving Orks Fleet, and counting run moves as 6" (see Ork FAQ).

2). No, a Mekboy cannot join killa kans as they are a vehicle squadron (top of P39).
KFF is 5+ for vehicles and infantry now.

Marshall Ragnar wrote:he was adamant that it did and was getting annoyed that i kept trying to find it in the rules

I wanted to point this out... he's the Codex and army owner. If you've questioned a Codex rule that he's using, the onus is on him to show it to you - not for you to accept it unless you find otherwise. Of course, without being there at the time I realise this could have been more awkward than I'm making it sound.

The WAAAGH! lasts for 2 player turns. Ghazzy's WAAAGH! can be called at any time, so he can call it during your turn if he really wanted to for those sweet, sweet invulnerable saves. However, it would expire at the end of his next turn.

-cgmckenzie

How does Ghazzys waagh affect the dice roll though? He was claiming that one of the dice was automatically a 6, then he would roll 2 dice and pick the highest.

A big mek has never been able to join a squad of kans. What a terrible idea anyway. He'd die.


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Marshall Ragnar wrote:How does Ghazzys waagh affect the dice roll though? He was claiming that one of the dice was automatically a 6, then he would roll 2 dice and pick the highest.

They count as rolling a 6 for the run. (codex not in front of me, but i'm pretty sure)


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And they still have fleet, so, if you still get both
(The auto 6 for running, and fleet to reroll one dice on the charge) that's a pretty big buff to ghaz.

Except you can't run and charge anymore

The FAQ has needed info also, about Waagh and Gazzy

jcress410 wrote:
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And they still have fleet, so, if you still get both
(The auto 6 for running, and fleet to reroll one dice on the charge) that's a pretty big buff to ghaz.

Except that you can't charge the same turn you run.

As for Ghazghull's Waaagh!!!! it's now pretty useless, based on the FAQ.

"all Orks infantry units automatically count as rolling a 6 if they Run"

No charge bonus.

If that's the case, it's no longer useless, just means a change to its use. Better saves and a guaranteed 6" run, but no charging? Use it on your first or second turn. You know - when you're closing the gap but are out of slugga/charge range, and most susceptible to return fire anyway.

You cannot use it first turn.

It gives you Fleet, meaning a reroll of charge. That is GOLDEN.

nosferatu1001 wrote:You cannot use it first turn.

It gives you Fleet, meaning a reroll of charge. That is GOLDEN.

right, but regular waagh gives you fleet... so you don't by ghaz for his waaagh any more. (if you ever did)

In 5th, ghazzy's WAAAGH!(proper spelling ) was great because you had a guaranteed 18 inch threat range for assault. Now, it is more useful to bring up the boyz that are lagging behind a little.

-cgmckenzie