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I am trying to figure out how this works.

1) I have an MC that is a charater (lets say a Hive Tyrant) who charges into combat with Clagar and his honor guard. I make BtB with an Honor Guard.

2) Calgar challanges and as an charater unit of 1 I must accept. Calgar and the Tyrant go BtB.

3) We start combat. My HoW attack gets resolved at I10.

Now my questions

1) Does it get resolved against the Honor Guard I came into BtB with on the Charge or with Calgar who I am currently in BtB with.

2) If it hits the Honor Guard does it still go off as I am locked in a challange and can not deal wound outside of it. Or does it count as happening before the challenge and the wound is still taken.

1) It can only affect the model in b2b
2) see 1

The other thing to keep in mind, challenges are made at the start of the fight subphase. Initiative order does not go off until all beginning of fight subphase effects go off.

"..ends its charge move in base contact with one or more enemy models, it makes one additional Attack that hits automatically.."

"This Attack is resolved during the Fight sub-phase at the Initiative 10 step."

"Challenges are issued at the start of the Fight sub-phase, before any blows are struck."

"For the duration of the challenge, these two models are considered to be in base contact only with each other."

The Challenge rules trump the normal Hammer of Wrath a bit here. You get your Hammer of Wrath still, but its against the enemy Challenger and not anything else.

cowmonaut : Thats what I was trying to work out. I guess I got it in my head that the attack went off automaticly when the model ended the charge move in BtB. Not that the hit was automatic.

I thought the wound was just resolved at I10.

Gloomfang wrote:cowmonaut : Thats what I was trying to work out. I guess I got it in my head that the attack went off automaticly when the model ended the charge move in BtB. Not that the hit was automatic.

I thought the wound was just resolved at I10.

Someone around here is claiming that the attack itself happens before Init 10, but is resolved at Init 10. And that it's an Attack, but not an Attack? We (and I mean rigeld) asked for clarification but didn't get any.

Page 9, Exceptions.

First three sentences have your answer. The same issue arises with Mind Shackle Scarabs from the Necrons, or other wargear options. :3

*edit: i reread the HoW rule. You must wait for the challenge to be accepted or declined (as it will be your turn with the model moving to use HoW). After the decision has been made, then you resolve the HoW special rule as it calls for the hit to occur *During* the fight sub-phase. Not at the start of the fight sub-phase as the Challenge rules specify.