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Made in us
Sacrifice to the Dark Gods




Virginia

So, I've been in wargaming almost a year now, I've purchased around 6.5k points of CSM and more recently 6k points of Eldar I have quite a bit of painting to do, although I've done a lot, and I feel that beginning to airbrush is my next step. I mean, I'm not bad at painting I have shaky hand syndrome, but I also am a microminiature electronics technician by trade so I feel that I am decent at the WH40k scale.

I am currently on deployment and shopping for an airbrush setup...from reading countless posts/guides here is what I am considering purchasing. Money is not really an issue, although I am trying not to overspend like I always do, buying the best tool money can buy and placing it in the hands of a monkeigh.
I am pretty sure that I want a double action internal mix gravity fed brush, a semi quiet compressor that has at least 1 gallon of air storage. I am a little unsure of my ability to thin paints, I'd like to buy a set of airbrush paints, maybe after I am competent with those I can experiment with thinning my own colors.


Either this:
IWATA HP-CS Eclipse AIRBRUSH Kit
http://www.amazon.com/AIRBRUSH-Airbrush-Compressor-Instructional-Quick-Connector/dp/B001BO4X8Y/ref=sr_1_15?s=arts-crafts&ie=UTF8&qid=1342921641&sr=1-15&keywords=createx

or

Compressor:

Grip-Rite-GR152CM-1-5HP-Gallon-Compressor
http://www.amazon.com/Grip-Rite-GR152CM-1-5HP-Gallon-Compressor/dp/B000GZS6NC/ref=sr_1_3?s=power-hand-tools&ie=UTF8&qid=1342919104&sr=1-3&keywords=compressor

airbrush
Paasche TG-SET
http://www.amazon.com/Paasche-TG-2L-Airbrush-Accessories/dp/B0017IFL4E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342920646&sr=8-1&keywords=Paasche+TG-2L

Cleaning stand
Iwata-Medea Cleaning Station
http://www.amazon.com/Iwata-Medea-NAC-201-Cleaning-Station/dp/B000VADIVC/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_cart_1


I'm leaning towards the iwata.


Badger Air-Brush Co. 121 Paint Mixer
www.amazon.com/Badger-Air-Brush-Co-121-Paint/dp/B000BROV02/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_cart_3

100 PIPETTE EYEDROPPERS
http://www.amazon.com/100-PIPETTE-EYEDROPPERS-Transfer-Liquids-Airbrush-Paint/dp/B002J0NQCI/ref=pd_sim_ac_5

Createx Airbrush Cleaner 4 oz.
http://www.amazon.com/Createx-Airbrush-Cleaner-4-oz/dp/B000IVPWB8/ref=pd_sim_ac_4

For paint, considering between vallejo model air and createx. possibly this one
36 COLOR MASTER CREATEX SET
www.tcpglobal.com/createx/createxkit.aspx#M36

any suggestions/comments are welcome.







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Made in gb
Secretive Dark Angels Veteran



UK - Warwickshire

First up, welcome to airbrushing! Its wicked fun!!

My main advice when shopping for your first setup is to be more interested in having a good compressor, if as you say money is no issue; theres a huge choice for you my friend! its really quite easy when someones on a tight budget to suggest an AS186,they're great little machines that you could get away with running in your home.
With more money there are some really nice looking, genuinly really quiet machines from iwata and some other brands. 'Bambi' could be a good name to look at, they make dentist quality air sources and hence tend to be a little more up market than airbrushings absolute minimum. But cleaner air is better and its not going to get much cleaner than at the dentists?!
For your first setup the compressor is much more important than the brush. Why? Because 95% of us break our first airbrush as part of the learning how to care for your brush properly stage in the learning curve.
It can be tempting to look at the top end like iwata micron's and other micro fine tip brushes
But you dont really know how to make use of it yet and will probably struggle much more with it to start with to be brutally honest. A cheap china special 0.3mm would likely do you almost aswell for starting out.

The full setup you linked with the iwata eclipse looks great to me! I've never had an iwata brush in my hands but I dont doubt that theyre top notch (I use a Harder & Steenbeck Evolution), The Eclipse is iwata's mid rangey medium tip size area brush which should be just what you want for priming, basecoating and shading mini's with thinned acrylics.

The paints they give you in the bundle (createx) are decent paints, I'm not sure about for mini's but they do ahdere to fabrics well - I'd use those for custom tee shirt painting and that kind of thing.They can be thinned down a crazy amount and still spray okay; the insane freehand detail painting is done with over thinned paints and realy low airpressures.

The compressor in the bundle is an AS186 which is perfectly fine and will provide all the pressure you need for airbrushing, its mildly noisy, I have an AS196 which is the same except twin pistons so would be louder and fill up faster. Its good for working about an hour at a time before it wants to cool off ( they spit moisture more when hot, condensation and all that)

I didnt get into airbrushing via the figure painting hobby, and already had my airbrush before. For paints I just use Liquitex Airbrush medium with GW colours on my mini's and havent had any problems yet with my 0.2mm tip. For my regular airbruhsing on other surfaces I use acrylic inks (usually Liquitex brand but theres others) or thinned artist acrylics (with the liquitex medium).
If you were looking for some paints specifically for airbrushing models with... the general consensus seems to be vallejo model air is a good system. all prethinned in dripper bottles ready to go with minimum hassle. I'm still keen to try these out myself, but dont really need to becuase I can thin my own just as happily and have plenty of supplies from my other arty projects.

If you get stuck or need help with anything, or more info on anything specific just holla I'm happy to try and help as are many of the others here.

'Ain't nothing crazy about me but my brain. Right brain? Riight! No not you right brain! Right left brain? Right!... Okay then lets do this!! 
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut






You might consider Badger.

My favorite all brush to use by a long shot is my Sotar 20/20. You can pick them up for around $150 or so, and they are highly regarded.
   
Made in us
Three Color Minimum





Denver, CO

I purchased the Eclipse earlier this year and it's pretty forgiving when it comes to learning how to thin model paint and easy to take apart. I suggest picking up the .5 needle / nozzle / cap as it makes base coating and working with metallics easier. The other advantage is that you can get parts everywhere. If you have a Hobby Lobby nearby, they run weekly 40% off coupons which makes getting parts much easier on the wallet.

You should also add in a set of nylon cleaning brushes and, most importantly, a NIOSH-approved respirator. Atomized paint is not something you want to breathe in.

If money really isn't an issue, get a good painting hood. Next to the airbrush it'self, I think it's the most useful thing on my desk.



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“I do not know anything about Art with a capital A. What I do know about is my art. Because it concerns me. I do not speak for others. So I do not speak for things which profess to speak for others. My art, however, speaks for me. It lights my way.”
— Mark Z. Danielewski
 
   
Made in us
Sacrifice to the Dark Gods




Virginia

Thank you for the responses! The noise isn't really an issue for me, I'm used to an 'industrial' environment...although my wife may disagree. I honestly think I will pick up the eclipse package now, and possibly graduate to a micron or something similar (I've looked at them previously). The Hood thing is a definite. Any suggestions on which one from where?(while money really is not an issue, it's not an issue because I'm a naturally thrifty guy hah)


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A quick search rendered this, I really like the portability for storage purposes, only mildly concerned about the 16x13" size, but I'm thinking that will be plenty.

Paasche HSSB-16-13 Hobby Spray Booth
http://www.amazon.com/Paasche-HSSB-16-13-Hobby-16-Inch-13-Inch/dp/B0054MPHRK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342931953&sr=8-1&keywords=airbrush+booth

I went ahead and purchased 30 Assorted Vallejo Model Air paints. I think I'll wait until I get home to purchase the rest, don't want the wife mad at me over the internet hah.

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Made in us
Three Color Minimum





Denver, CO

That's the one I own and I love it.

EDIT: I am so sorry. I was at work when posting the above statement and was unable to link to Amazon. The Paasche HSSB-16-13 is a colossal hunk of junk. It was the first booth I bought and it failed to work out of the box. It's cheaply made and the power cord wraps around a flimsy internal spool that fails to complete the electrical connection. I found this out by taking the thing apart in hopes of repairing it rather than returning it. Once I saw the design of the inside, I sent it back.

The booth I now own is the Paasche HSSB-22-16. At about $200, it's not cheap. But it's all steel, has a really strong fan, and definitely looks and feels like a piece of industrial equipment. It also requires a huge amount of real estate on the painting desk. I ended up buying an old kitchen table at a second hand store just so I could have a dedicated airbrush space. There's no question that the extra expense and effort where worth it.

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“I do not know anything about Art with a capital A. What I do know about is my art. Because it concerns me. I do not speak for others. So I do not speak for things which profess to speak for others. My art, however, speaks for me. It lights my way.”
— Mark Z. Danielewski
 
   
Made in gb
Secretive Dark Angels Veteran



UK - Warwickshire

That sized spray booth sounds plenty large enough for almost al your wargaming needs.... maybe you wouldn't fit a Forgeworld Thunderhawk in there haha, but how often does that come up
The comment about being able to get parts is a very good point... the brand of brush you pick should really be dictated by how available spare parts are, needles, nozzles, orings all go sooner or later.
The micron ones have their purpose, its freehand airbrush illustration and art work mostly. I'm not entirely sure they have a lot of pluses for figures over the eclipse series.
Someone said about having a 0.5mm tip for the metallics, thats probably a good idea, I use a 0.2mm and could spray the old GW metallics fine, but haven't tryed the new range yet. I'm quite aware that if they used a flake size above a certain amount my brush isn't good for it.

'Ain't nothing crazy about me but my brain. Right brain? Riight! No not you right brain! Right left brain? Right!... Okay then lets do this!! 
   
Made in us
Sacrifice to the Dark Gods




Virginia

I bought some vallejo air metallics, curious to see if the pigment is ground fine enough for the .3 needle, probably get a few different sizes regardless just to try.
   
Made in us
Colonel





This Is Where the Fish Lives

The .3 needle is fine for VMA metallics. Just be prepared to clean your airbrush forever when using metallic paints. They can look fantastic but are a real pain during clean up.

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Made in us
Three Color Minimum





Denver, CO

Scooty is correct. VMA paints all contain much finer pigments, and the metallics work great through smaller needles. Tip dry is a problem, but that can be reduced considerably by thinning the paint with a little airbrush cleaner. You just have to make sure that you also mix in some acrylic airbrush medium to preserve the integrity of the paint.




“I do not know anything about Art with a capital A. What I do know about is my art. Because it concerns me. I do not speak for others. So I do not speak for things which profess to speak for others. My art, however, speaks for me. It lights my way.”
— Mark Z. Danielewski
 
   
 
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