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So we had an issue tonight. I had mephiston charge a group of terminator's and used rage and sword powers. My argument was that since his weapon was ap3 that they could still roll their armor saves against his str 10 attacks. My buddy said no and but since we couldn't find anything on it like in 5th he went ahead and rolled for his 2+ armor. I would have liked nothing better than to ignore his 2+ but I could find anything to support the old way.

Anyone agree with me, or does ID still ignore regular armor saves.

Uhhhhh, ID has never ignored armour saves, at least not since 5th.

Nope, ID applies (and always has) to unsaved wounds. You get saves as normal against ID wounds.

Most weapons that can cause ID have such high AP values that models often don't get armor saves, but ID itself has nothing to do with it. By the time you get around to checking if any unsaved wound causes ID you've already rolled to hit, to wound and any saves you might be allowed to take.

I've seen people think ID ignores saves, ofc - and they sometimes also think you don't have to roll to wound. A rule with such an awesome name must be awesome, right?

You must be thinking about "Feel No Pain?"

Wounds that would cause ID, do not allow you to roll your 5+ FNP save. But unless it has sufficient AP, you still get your armor save.

Termies still get the 2+ armor save vs S10 AP3 attacks.

ID doesn't negate armour save. Just like how in 5th edition, paladins can take a missile to the face and still roll their 2+ armour save. If they fail that 2+ though, they lose their 2 wounds and does not get to roll for FNP.

leohart wrote:ID doesn't negate armour save. Just like how in 5th edition, paladins can take a missile to the face and still roll their 2+ armour save. If they fail that 2+ though, they lose their 2 wounds and does not get to roll for FNP.

i thought paldins were t5 so only big ordnace wepons could ID them

Krellnus wrote:Uhhhhh, ID has never ignored armour saves, at least not since 5th.

ID didn't ignore armor in 5th edition either...just sayin'...

Cyvash wrote:

leohart wrote:ID doesn't negate armour save. Just like how in 5th edition, paladins can take a missile to the face and still roll their 2+ armour save. If they fail that 2+ though, they lose their 2 wounds and does not get to roll for FNP.

i thought paldins were t5 so only big ordnace wepons could ID them

T4.