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Edit: I have selected Dark Eldar, as posted at the bottom I

have realized that Dark Eldar have most all of my needs covered. Enough Close Combat focus, enough sprinkles of randomness and some really nifty options for deployment (multiple deep strikes, infiltrating mandrakes etc), as well as finally, some great rules that conjure up some fantastic imagery-- poison weapons, hulking fleshly-brutes that go berserk and kill any and all etc etc. suggests that most boxes are checked.


Also Commoragh reminds me of Mos Eisley (den of scum and xeno villainy; extra points!)


I truly feel this may be the army for me-- it is very unique and evocative-- and zany enough for a former Ork player from 3rd edition-- I'm inspired by what I've read, and perhaps that's the biggest check-box of all-- so I believe I will now begin to persue it. Thank you so much for your suggestions.


Any parting tips on the force are most welcome!

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It's another one of these, but I need somewhere to talk it out, so here I am.

I am going to start a new army. I kind of know the type of force I want (so I've broken down my wants below), but I need help from those who have been with the hobby long enough to speak to the true nature of an army on the board and in the universe, and I'd like to solicit some opinions.

I have a few hard-fast attributes that I demand this new army would have, and then a few preffered-but-could-compromise aspects I'm looking for. I realize some of my preferences may clash, but that's okay, I don't expect an army to fulfill all my demands and preferences, but perhaps, if there are some that fullfill the demands and a single preference or two, they should be offered up


What I demand:

- Elite, Not hordey ( Must have a propensity or potential for a low model count)

- Fares well in close-combat (I tend to like to settle 40k matters up-close and personal, so the army should be closer to that tendency)

-Must be drawn from an actual army codex. (Not a converter, or a counts-as type of guy, per se)


What I would prefer:

- Non- Loyalist-marine (Local LGS has quite a few already)

- Not "top tier" (Always preferred the 'underdog')

-has SOME aspect of randomness in the army (whether it be a crazed maniac with random attacks, or a deep striking unit that could go wrong)

-Can support some aspect of sneakiness/stealth (the ability to outflank, scout, infiltrate, whatever-- I'd like to to try to win the battle in ways other than lining up and driving/running head-long)

- Has fluff which supports some concept of " power and control": ( Whether via despotic/tyrannical monarchs, social stratification, or 'conservative philosophies' in the most general sense. *If anyone plays Magic the Gathering, white is my favourite colour because it evokes some of these themes,)

-Has some kind of religious structure.


Which force is best for me? I realize the list is wide, but, like I say, I don't expect to fill every preference. Only every demand -- Perhaps there is one sole army that checks the most boxes on the above list?

Khorne 'zerkers. With Kharn and Chaos Dreadnaught (high risk of killing ood part of your army this way, mind you).

Or Possessed CSM, they have random powers, IIRC.

If you want to stay away from power armor, Orks with a lot of MANz and Dark Eldars Whych (Wych?) cult springs to mind.

Desalbert wrote:New Edition, New Resolve, New Mindset...New Army. Which suits me?



What I demand:

- Elite, Not hordey ( Must have a propensity or potential for a low model count)

- Fares well in close-combat (I tend to like to settle 40k matters up-close and personal, so the army should be closer to that tendency)

-Must be drawn from an actual army codex. (Not a converter, or a counts-as type of guy, per se)


What I would prefer:

- Non- Loyalist-marine (Local LGS has quite a few already)

- Not "top tier" (Always preferred the 'underdog')

-has SOME aspect of randomness in the army (whether it be a crazed maniac with random attacks, or a deep striking unit that could go wrong)

-Can support some aspect of sneakiness/stealth (the ability to outflank, scout, infiltrate, whatever-- I'd like to to try to win the battle in ways other than lining up and driving/running head-long)

- Has fluff which supports some concept of " power and control": ( Whether via despotic/tyrannical monarchs, social stratification, or 'conservative philosophies' in the most general sense. *If anyone plays Magic the Gathering, white is my favourite colour because it evokes some of these themes,)

-Has some kind of religious structure.


Which force is best for me? I realize the list is wide, but, like I say, I don't expect to fill every preference. Only every demand -- Perhaps there is one sole army that checks the most boxes on the above list?

Well I may be biased as they are army that I play and I love them, but I would recommend Chaos Daemons. They are elite i.e. small model count but pretty killy, and can be beastly in close combat depending on which units you pick for your army. They are certainly not top tier, but when played well can compete with most other armies, though as always there are some bad matchups. 6th has given them a decent boost as well with their large amount of flying creatures, including Fateweaver, who is one of the better HQs in the game when used well.

They also all deploy by deep strike and come in random waves, which can be frustrating as hell but it does satisfy your 'randomness' requirement. I'm not sure about stealth/sneakiness, but being able to choose where you drop onto the battlefield after your opponent has deployed is pretty good fun and lends you some good tactical options. Not sure about religious stricture as I'm not the biggest fluff dude around, but Daemons are of the warp so theres some psychic stuff going on there. The Tzeentch fluff also involves quite a bit of manipulation and control, especially involving Fateweaver, so that could also be a good fit.

Anyway, the choice is yours, but I recommend Daemons. I've played them for about 6 months now and have really enjoyed it, though they do have a pretty steep learning curve.

Going to be biased, but I'll say ravenwing.

-Elite (my 1500 list only has 22 models).

-Fares as well as any other marines in CC, slightly better thanks to Hammer of Wrath.

-Drawn from Dark Angels

-OK, con, it is loyalist marines.

-Very much the underdog, but still usable.

-Take plasma, they're unpredictable, but good.

-Almost everything in the army has scout, so you can outflank to your heart's content.

-OK, another con, not much "control" fluff, but the hunting down the Fallen is cool.

-Dark Angels, plenty of religious structure.

Congratulations you have selected chaos spacemarines!

Desalbert wrote:New Edition, New Resolve, New Mindset...New Army. Which suits me?




What I demand:

- Elite, Not hordey ( Must have a propensity or potential for a low model count)

Chaos are not hordey

- Fares well in close-combat (I tend to like to settle 40k matters up-close and personal, so the army should be closer to that tendency)

Chaos can be very combat oriented.

-Must be drawn from an actual army codex. (Not a converter, or a counts-as type of guy, per se)

Covered

What I would prefer:

- Non- Loyalist-marine (Local LGS has quite a few already)

Chaos are not loyalist

- Not "top tier" (Always preferred the 'underdog')

they are not top tier, although that could change with their new dex

-has SOME aspect of randomness in the army (whether it be a crazed maniac with random attacks, or a deep striking unit that could go wrong)

Has randomness in the form of deep-strikers, crazy dreads and possessed.

-Can support some aspect of sneakiness/stealth (the ability to outflank, scout, infiltrate, whatever-- I'd like to to try to win the battle in ways other than lining up and driving/running head-long)

Chosen have infiltrate. Fluff wise alpha legion is heavily stealthy, may get some more representation in new dex

- Has fluff which supports some concept of " power and control": ( Whether via despotic/tyrannical monarchs, social stratification, or 'conservative philosophies' in the most general sense. *If anyone plays Magic the Gathering, white is my favourite colour because it evokes some of these themes,)

well power and control are a definite, also this kind thing can be built into your personal warbands fluff (tons of options)

-Has some kind of religious structure.

Blood for the Blood god?? Papa Nurgle..... Religious in spades!

Which force is best for me? I realize the list is wide, but, like I say, I don't expect to fill every preference. Only every demand -- Perhaps there is one sole army that checks the most boxes on the above list?

The force that is best for you is chaos@@@@!! although Daemons would also fit these criteria, as im sure a few other would.
But i play chaos so have fun!

Has anyone said Tau

Oh Fares well in close combat...


uh Eldar maybe?... tho you will probably end up with Chaos SM

Thank you guys all very much, but in finally conducting some extended research (AKA checking out the codex) I have realized that Dark Eldar have most all of my needs covered. Enough Close Combat focus, enough sprinkles of randomness (Though it saddens me that they do not risk death by combat drugs-- yes, I like negative consequences for my own armies-- adds flavour), and some really nifty options for deployment (multiple deep strikes, infiltrating mandrakes etc), as well as finally, some great rules that conjure up some fantastic imagery-- poison weapons, hulking fleshly-brutes that go berserk and kill any and all etc etc. suggests that most boxes are checked.

Also Commoragh reminds me of Mos Eisley (den of scum and xeno villainy; extra points!)


I truly feel this may be the army for me-- it is very unique and evocative-- and zany enough for a former Ork player from 3rd edition-- I'm inspired by what I've read, and perhaps that's the biggest check-box of all-- so I believe I will now begin to persue it. Thank you so much for your suggestions.


Any parting tips on the force are most welcome!