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All right, So my Kantor based list didn't work out like i thought. Here is another list i have made up that i have yet to try out. I feel like it's missing something, but here it is:


HQ -
Commander Dante

TROOPS -
5 man Assault Squad w/ flamer and Sgt. PW.
Sanguinary Guard w/ Chapter banner, Infernus Pistol and Power fist (to be attached to Dante)

FAST ATTACK -
10 man Vanguard Veteran Squad w/ Jump Packs, 4 twin Lightning Claws, 2 Hand Flamers w/ PW, 3 Storm Shield's with PW, and the Sgt. Power fist w/ Storm Shield

HEAVY SUPPORT -
2 x Vindicator

ALLIES:
HQ - Kayvaan Shrike
TROOP - Scout Squad w/ Telion and a Missile Launcher

My plan is to use Shrike + AS to infiltrate over an objective or in a key point, as well as the telion SS to do the same. Then i have Dante and his Guard to drop anywhere that they are needed, objectives, relics, behind a tank.

using the vets and the vindicators to kill things.

thoughts? and thanks in advance.

Doesn't Shrike only confer infiltrate to C:SM units? How will the Assault Squad be able to infiltrate?

My first thoughts are your only scoring units are 3 MSU units. Also, your VV eat up 1/5 of your army. I am quite interested in how the play out in 6th ed. Even if this list doesn't work for you, I'd be interested in hearing about their performance.

Advice: Drop Shrike, or re work list around him. You need some sort of way to deal with Flyers. Right now, your only chance at dealing with them are 2x Infernus pistols, snipers and a ML. Also, you will need some sort of psychic defense or be prepared to get slapped around by the warp.

J Mac wrote:Doesn't Shrike only confer infiltrate to C:SM units? How will the Assault Squad be able to infiltrate?

He actually dodged that bullet, doesn't say just C:SM units in the FAQ.

J Mac wrote:My first thoughts are your only scoring units are 3 MSU units. Also, your VV eat up 1/5 of your army. I am quite interested in how the play out in 6th ed. Even if this list doesn't work for you, I'd be interested in hearing about their performance.

Advice: Drop Shrike, or re work list around him. You need some sort of way to deal with Flyers. Right now, your only chance at dealing with them are 2x Infernus pistols, snipers and a ML. Also, you will need some sort of psychic defense or be prepared to get slapped around by the warp.

Yeah, i realize the vets are a bit expensive but i feel like they're tough enough, and though the Dante + Guard are small, they're quite powerful if played right. Definitely have won games for me. Im not too worried about fliers, as the guys in my league don't have many and haven't really been playing them, same with psychers. Mainly just outflanking guard or a ton of lascannon HW teams. im not sure if there's a better unit to use w/ shrike though...

My strategy recently has been to snipe the commissars (though LOS has put a kink in this) and then run everything else off the board or Sweeping Advance it.

I'll definitely post a rundown of how it plays, I've got a game tomorrow.

thanks for the input.

As you can no longer assault from infiltrating I would shooty with shrike. So dev. squad, maybe a librarian with a blood lance. Maybe sternguard possibly with heavy weapons, tac. termies with 2 CML. add a priest in anyway.
Combat squad rules means these squads can split, hopefully, the shrike rules still aren't so clear.

Personally I think I would like to try a bike squadron with a couple BA librarians on bikes, with a priest on a bike. Though probably the sternguard sounds more deadly.

rampantphoto wrote:

J Mac wrote:Doesn't Shrike only confer infiltrate to C:SM units? How will the Assault Squad be able to infiltrate?

He actually dodged that bullet, doesn't say just C:SM units in the FAQ.

Even then, doesn't it state that units have to trade in Combat Tactics in exchange for Infiltrate? No Blood Angels have Combat Tactics...

MFletch wrote:As you can no longer assault from infiltrating I would shooty with shrike. So dev. squad, maybe a librarian with a blood lance. Maybe sternguard possibly with heavy weapons, tac. termies with 2 CML. add a priest in anyway.
Combat squad rules means these squads can split, hopefully, the shrike rules still aren't so clear.

Personally I think I would like to try a bike squadron with a couple BA librarians on bikes, with a priest on a bike. Though probably the sternguard sounds more deadly.

That is an EXCELLENT point. i was thinking jump so i can quickly move around to objectives, but if i can just show up on one, and shoot a bunch. that's just as good. definitely going to look into that.


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J Mac wrote:

rampantphoto wrote:

J Mac wrote:Doesn't Shrike only confer infiltrate to C:SM units? How will the Assault Squad be able to infiltrate?

He actually dodged that bullet, doesn't say just C:SM units in the FAQ.

Even then, doesn't it state that units have to trade in Combat Tactics in exchange for Infiltrate? No Blood Angels have Combat Tactics...

they don't get infiltrate because of combat tactics, but because he is attached to them. it's the See, But Remain Unseen Special Rule, not the chapter tactics. His chapter tactics give fleet.

So only 2 other guys showed up for our league last night which left us with an odd number. Due to this we decided to just forgo league points and do a 1 vs 1 vs 1 at 1250 points.
As I only brought the units to build the list I have shown here, I basically had to take this list and shave off 600 points. It was Guard vs Nids vs Blood Angels , and I ended up going with: Dante and his Sanguinary Guard, the Vanguard Vets squad shown above, and the same 5 man assault squad with an addition of a storm shield.

I lost, but learned a bit about the big vet squad, whatever I charged, I took out... but if I had to sit and take a charge, I didn't do as hot. I did end up taking out 2 Termagant Brood's, half a Ravener Brood and a Tervigon.

I'm still thinking it over, but I'm not sure turn 2 assault on deep strike is worth all that I'm paying for it; it might be better to have my DC squad back.

Thanks for all your input, next week is the last week in our league and I'm down by 1 point from the leader. it'll most likely come down to us fighting it out. i know what he has and will most likely play, so I'll probably make another post asking for list advice.

thanks again.

Yeah, kitted out VV tend to fall flat on their face. I always found them better as a smaller unit. somewhere between 185-225 pts

You've got quite a few problems in this list.

Firstly, Dante. He's not worth the points. He lets Sanguinary Guard be troops, which is great for S-Guard lists, but you're only taking a single unit. Also, his ability to let a single unit deep strike on target is quite costly.

Not really sure what the 5 man Assault Squad is doing. If they are holding a objective, then you want a plasma gun, though a Scout Squad is better. If it's choppy choppy, then you need a Priest with a power weapon and double the squad size.

Vanguard unit is way too much. You only need 5 of them, and they need power weapon/claw, fist/hammer and couple of melta bombs.

Then you've got the single Vindicators, the only vehicles in this list. At this points level they will be easily stopped.

Who you planning to infiltrate with Shrike?

The Scouts probably won't need to infiltrate that much, as they have decent range and you can set them up nicely when you deploy.