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Hello. I am fielding a Space wolves drop pod army (among other things.) I would like to field a dreadnought based list but the space wolves are not really made for that sort of thing as you use one organisasor slot on the wolf guards (at least I do) and the last two for the dreadnoughts.

However, I could ally myself with a deathwatch company! That would be cool and it could fitt in with the fluff. However, how would you do it to get dreadnoughts? Vanilla marines can get the assault dreadnought with 2 meltas and blood angels can get a regular dreadnought and a furioso. What do you think would fitt thematicaly?

Also, do you think it could be justefied to use scouts as troops from eather list representing a death company? Shurly that BS 3 is unfluffy but deathcompanies need scouts too.

If you are looking for a mostly dread list then you should do BA allied with Wolves. Take a DC of 25 men, take 5 DC dreads and a chaplin. That's 6 troops and 1 HQ on a force org chart.
For the rest of the list fill out a SW allies formation, you can get another 2 dreads in there and pop in a few GH squads with drop pods. Throw in some run priests and you'll be fine.

You should read the BA codex on how it works.

Thematically you can sandwich anything in by "forging a narrative", just make something you like the sound of up.

He said he wants to fit in the fluff.

Dante and Logan or good friends (or the best you can get with SW ) so BA would probably work well. I can imagine one coming to the others aid.

Fluffy? The BA have got into a spot of bother. Dante and his Sanguinary Guard have retreated to their ship. SW come to their aid and they commence a large drop pod assault.

Dante and 5 Sanguinary Guard DS. This is HQ and Troop.
Furioso Dread (could be Librarian) in Drop Pod.

Logan and Wolf Guard come in Drop Pod (so they don't take up your elite slot)
3 Dreads in Drop Pods
Can Bjorn take one?
Grey Hunters in Drop Pods to fill in

Fluffy...ish army with plenty of Dreads. Don't know how an all Drop Pod army works in the new Reserve rules but everyone can DS. Only problem is you're looking at a very high points limit.

So allies vanilla marines can supply two,
Master of the forge, techmarine like guy who is a HQ, makes dreads a heavy option.
The dreads are mostly shooty, MM+HF is a good option for a drop pod, or the assault cannon with HF is good close up as well.
Double 2TLautocannon is good and cheap.
These dreads are the same normal and vet dreads as space wolf dreads ignoring wolfy things.
They then have ironclads, which are chunky dreads with comedic sized hammers et cetera.

The other serious option would be Vulkan, who make MM and HF twin linked. He is quite hard but a lot of points, so it depends on how veteran you want your black watch.

Vanilla marines have tactical squads which are not really that fun but can go in drop pods.
Else scout snipers with Telion is pretty great. Obviously not a drop pod but Telion being a vet. fits, troops being scouts is not really fluffy.

BA can bring loads of dreads.
Heavy choice is the same as space wolves, though they get furious charge 1/6 of the time.
Elites can bring librarian dread which is awesome, otherwise out and out cc dreads. All of which feel elite enough for deathwatch.
Finally troops you will most likely go death company in a drop pod, then a death company dread in a drop pod. These are pretty great options.

Black templar have cheap drop pods, you'll need 2 HQs but they great a great dread with either tank hunter or furious charge.

I thought those chapters didn't get along, or am i getting my marines mixed up again.

A Dreadnought-based SW list using allied Dreads will be tough to pull off - you'll get 1 or 2 Dreads from an ally max. Your best bet would be to play BA or Vanilla Marines and just ally with the Wolves.

Thought I should mention grey knights for fluff reasons.
You will not be able to do full reserve army with them :(
However, 2 psifle dreads, one vet. and one normal is pretty good covering fire.
Then for troops you could field the inquisition, no one will expect this.

I am not sure I have seen your pretty face around here for a while, so welcome back.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:A Dreadnought-based SW list using allied Dreads will be tough to pull off - you'll get 1 or 2 Dreads from an ally max. Your best bet would be to play BA or Vanilla Marines and just ally with the Wolves.

you can get 3 Dreads with a Blood Angels Allied Detachment. (1 Elite, 1 Troop, 1 Heavy Support).

I'll second the Blood Angels route. Not just because they yield the most Dreadnoughts per FOC, but because it's actually quite easy to justify in fluff. A few times now I've seen the idea of using Death Company rules to stand in for the 13th Company, so you could even do the whole force as Space Wolves if you wish. You'd just have to be careful to distinguish the allies with a different paint scheme so as not to confuse any special rules.

DeathReaper wrote:

Andilus Greatsword wrote:A Dreadnought-based SW list using allied Dreads will be tough to pull off - you'll get 1 or 2 Dreads from an ally max. Your best bet would be to play BA or Vanilla Marines and just ally with the Wolves.

you can get 3 Dreads with a Blood Angels Allied Detachment. (1 Elite, 1 Troop, 1 Heavy Support).

Oh cool, I didn't realize they could take Heavy Support Dreadnoughts. Good to know.

liturgies of blood wrote:If you are looking for a mostly dread list then you should do BA allied with Wolves.

You can then call it 'twilight'.

Name your BA HQ "Edward" and your SW HQ "Jacob".
Then figure out a way to get a "Bella" I'm stumped on that one.

labmouse42 wrote:

liturgies of blood wrote:If you are looking for a mostly dread list then you should do BA allied with Wolves.

You can then call it 'twilight'.

Name your BA HQ "Edward" and your SW HQ "Jacob".
Then figure out a way to get a "Bella" I'm stumped on that one.

Throw in Mephiston?

labmouse42 wrote:

liturgies of blood wrote:If you are looking for a mostly dread list then you should do BA allied with Wolves.

You can then call it 'twilight'.

Name your BA HQ "Edward" and your SW HQ "Jacob".
Then figure out a way to get a "Bella" I'm stumped on that one.

Now i don't know twilight at all, so i can't suggest anything based on character, but couldn't you use a SoB model with marine statline for bella?

HoverBoy wrote:He said he wants to fit in the fluff.

I always thought the beauty of warhammer is you can make things fit into the fluff very easily. The beauty of a diverse uncharted universe and all that

Jihallah wrote:

labmouse42 wrote:

liturgies of blood wrote:If you are looking for a mostly dread list then you should do BA allied with Wolves.

You can then call it 'twilight'.

Name your BA HQ "Edward" and your SW HQ "Jacob".
Then figure out a way to get a "Bella" I'm stumped on that one.

Now i don't know twilight at all, so i can't suggest anything based on character, but couldn't you use a SoB model with marine statline for bella?

Yeah but you can't use a 2nd Allied force is the point.

I am not running a twilight themed list. The twilight has been done to death already.

I am also not "splashing" mephiston and death company in there for fun.

How would you do the HQ? Do you think brining a small bike detachement to put my HQ choises in could work and have them drive in suporting the drop pods? Then my long fangs could be shooting first turn.

And are scouts fluffy for a death watch army?

HoverBoy wrote:He said he wants to fit in the fluff.

Read battle of the fang. All of the dreadnaughts were there.

Niiai wrote:And are scouts fluffy for a death watch army?

I'm no longer sure if you mean Deathwatch (the Ordo Xenos alien-hunter kill teams) or Death Company (the Blood Angels resident psychos). In either case, no, not really.
Various Chapters send Marines to join the Deathwatch, but this means they always send fully-fledged Marines capable of a wide range of combat experiences - it would be foolish to expect an inexperienced Scout to be able to handle those duties.
I've not seen any mention of Scouts being in the Death Company - I presume for my part that where the Scout is still undergoing physical changes, the Flaw doesn't make itself fully known.

I am talking about Ordo Xenos alien hunter killer teams and not the death compant.

So scouts are out, is this the common consensus (unles you of course used a Space wolf codex to represent them.)

The only times you have space marines that are not beginners as scouts are in the space wolf chapter and for those marines that teach the beginners, when you have a (veteran) sergent attached to a scout squad.