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Hi all, been working on some new list builds. Trying to have something is pretty competitive. Here's what i got. Any comments and criticism is welcome.

HQ.
Duke Sliscus
w/ 9 trueborn: 6 shardcarbine/2 splinter cannons.
Dracon w/power axe.
in Raider w/ Dark lance

Haemonculus 1 w/ agoniser shattershard splinter pistol
w/9 wyches: 1 Shardnet/Impaler; Haywire grenades
Hekatrix: Agoniser
in Raider with Dark lance

Haemonculus 2 w/ agoniser liquifier splinter pistol
w/ 4 incubi
in Venom w/ Dual Splinter cannons

Haemonculus 3 w/ Agoniser Animus Vitae splinter pistol
w/ 9 wyches: 1 Hydra gauntlets; Haywire grenades
Hekatrix w/ Agoniser
In Raider w/Dark lance

Troops:

5 Kabalites:4 splinter rifles 1 shredder

Heavy:

Talos Pain Engine w/ TL liquifier and TL haywire

Razorwing: 4 Monoscythe 2 Disintegrators and Splintercannon

Plan is to ideally use the Duke as a nasty gunboat, when it goes down, assault something and challenge it. Wyches and Incubi to act as line breakers. Shattershard haemy to nuke any pesky IC or special characters. Talos to draw fire. 5 man kabs to camp on an objective in cover. Razorwing for all its flying goodness Any comments changes and the like would be helpful. Thanks in advance!

I don't know the DE list points but I play against them all of the time. I guy in our group has played 1500 points against me and seems to have a lot more units than you do. He plays a shooting heavy list and basically doesn't even plan on getting out of vehicles unless he has to. Last Sun, it looked like this (sorry for not knowing all the names).

It looked something like this on the field...

Homonculous, hex rifle with 4/5 truborn, dark lance 36" and blaster 18" lance
Venom - had a bunch of shots... 6 or 9, can't remember

10 warriors - splinter rifles, splinter racks (rerolling rifles), dark lance 36" and blaster 18" lance
Raider - Dark Lance, Fflicker field

10 warriors - splinter rifles, splinter racks (rerolling rifles), dark lance 36" and blaster 18" lance
Raider - Dark Lance, Fflicker field

10 warriors - splinter rifles, splinter racks (rerolling rifles), dark lance 36" and blaster 18" lance
Raider - Dark Lance, Fflicker field

10 warriors - splinter rifles, splinter racks (rerolling rifles), dark lance 36" and blaster 18" lance
Raider - Dark Lance, Fflicker field

1 Raveger - 3 Dark Lances

1 Raveger - 3 of the guns that get you 3 shots each at S5 AP2

1 Raveger - 3 of the guns that get you 3 shots each at S5 AP2


I may have something wrong in the details, but basically that was his list. It's a highly mobile list with a crazy amount of shots and where everything is hitting on 3+ and all of the infantry are even getting rerolls with the splinter rifles against infantry. The vehicles are so plentiful that with hull points and flicker fields, that the enemy can't deal with them all in any given turn. If he loses a couple, it's not a big deal due to the volume of shots. However, the new effects on transported units when you get crew stunned can be damaging to the troop carriers ans it shuts down the shots from on board infantry. The list has one goal, death by volume. It's a pretty ugly list to play against, but we know if we can beat it, we have a fighting chance against others so great play test list I guess.

Good luck,

Thanks for the input Tactica! I've experimented with Gunline dark eldar recently and found them to be particularly effective against anything that moves. But there is no assault capability anywhere, I play against wolves quite frequently so this might be a problem. But I do like the Haemonculus/trueborn squad, may have to steal that and rework it in.

My basic assumption with Haemy 2 is to give the Incubi a starting pain token, but with their 3+ armor thats not really necessary, The Haemy brings nothing to the party that a Klaivex could not do better for cheaper overall with other super special powers. The pain token is nice, but a snap firing unit that the incubi will be assaulting will only get 1/6ths hits, likely 2/3rds of those wound and then only 1/3rd of those will make it past armor. So, for every 27 shots one incubus will die, the Haemy will increase that to another 1 in 40.5 shots will wound. So, don't attack a guard blob...first...

Next, the agonizer is nice, auto wounding on a 4+ but the Klaivex's Demiklaives are super versatile. When fighting GEQ you can have them separated to get a full 2 extra attacks giving him 5 total and 6 on a charge! Its using his base strength of 3 so against GEQ its still 4+ to wound and Ap 3 same as the Agonizer. Although fighting MEQ and TEQ you can have them together to get +2 str and AP 2 but its 2-handed so he's back to his 3 base attacks. But here's where it gets fun, since he's acting at a 5 str he's 3+ to wound TEQ and no armor saves for them.

Your Haemy also has a liquifier gun, d6 STR and d6 AP, the Klaivex's Bloodstone is str 3 and AP 3, its the expected low average power but the expected high average on AP for the liquifier. True the liquifier gun can still be much better on good rolls, but it has just as much a chance of being utter crap.

Lastly you can get the Onslaught power which any to-wound roll of 6 by the klaivex or any incubi in the unit incurs an immediate additional free attack, although this cannot cascade.

So, if you drop the Haemy and upgrade one of your four original Incubi it will free up 15 points, Onslaught included. If you get an additional Incubus for this it will cost you 7 additional points, but you could drop Onslaught and still be up 8 points.

Edit: Also the Klaivex's LD is 9, the Haemy only has an 8

Project Avatar. Thank You for comment. I Definitely see the change working out a lot more. I had never thought about dropping the haemy for a klaivex. i figured point wise, i was better off with him in the group then a klaivex, which gets pricey with all the upgrades. Regardles, im gonna take your advice and switch out the Haemy for a klaivex. Im going to play test this list tonight against some Wolves so ill put a battle report up a when i get back with how the list did. Long live the glory of the Kabal of The White Flames!

Alright folks, Had a game last night 1500pts against wolves. heres how it went.
I took the first list above, with the changes ProjectAvatar suggested. And changed all the dark lances to Disenegrators.

He had:
Hq: Rune Priest w/Divinition (Prescience and Misfortune)

5Thunderwolf Cav. (1 storm sheild, 1 thunder hammer)

10 Grey hunters, Multi melta, Wolf standard. Mark of the wulfen. in a drop pod.

10 grey hunters, 2 plasma guns, wolf standard, mark of the wulfen

10 grey hunters 2 plasma guns, wolf standard, mark of the wulfen

10 grey hunters 2 plasma guns, wolf standard, mark of the wulfen

5 long fangs, w/ squad leader all missle launchers x 2

Aegis defence line w/ quad cannon.

We drew emperors will on dawn of war.
I won the roll , and he didnt steal the initiative.
I deployed all my raiders and venoms right at the edge of my deployment , left the talos and razorwing in reserve. Deployed the squad of kabs into cover with objective.
he deployed his long fangs in cover, a squad of grey hunters with aegis and objective, 1 grey hunter up the middle and the other off to the side with his Rune priest in the squad, drop pod in reserve. thunderwolf up the middle.
our board had decent LOS blocking terrain.
Drugs, rolled + 1 S
Turn 1:Move all my transports forward and disembarked, i had all my wyches and incubi set for an assault. Wyches heading to the long fangs and the incubi to the Grey hunter squad with the Rune priest. Shooting phase was pretty nasty. Raiders dropped a few grey hunters across the board. Sliscus and friends dropped 4 thunderwolf cav. Haemenculus torched the long fangs in cover, with an AP2 S4 killing 4 long fangs. It was a good shooting phase. Assault: Wyches make both assaults into the long fangs. 1 wych squad wipes a long fang, the other stays locked. I roll the charge for the incubi and they dont make, He gets his overwatch and surprisingly makes a plasma shot, takes out 1 incubi. All in all not too bad for a first turn.
Wolves: Moves his available units to get them better shots on the wyches and incubi, thunderwolf get in position to charge the wyches.Drop pod lands near my objective near table edge. Quad gun fires at nearest raider, fails to glance. Grey hunters fire into wych squad that killed long fangs, lose 3 wyches. Grey hunter squad casts prescience, on squad unloads into the incubi, needless to say they were dead where they stood. Thunderwolf shot into wyches and missed. Drop pod hunters, melta the building my kabs were in, Total collapse and all my dudes die. Thunderwolf charges wyches, hammer of wrath fails to hit, Hekatrix swings, kills the thunderwolf. Wyches locked with long fangs, end stalemate and consolidate out of cover.

Turn 2: Roll for reserves, Razorwing comes out and goes to the middle of the board 18" out. Talos makes it aswell, coming right next to where the drop pod was. Moved models to get position for assault. Liquifier into the nearest grey hunters rolling AP 3 and killing 3 models. Talos comes in wounding 6 with an AP5 liq. 4 models fail saves. 2 direct hits with missles take out 4 grey hunters in the aegis defence line, as well as the dissies taking another 1 Sliscus disembarks and fires into the rune priest squad, dropping all but 3 and putting a wound into the Priest. Assault: Talos wrecks the drop pod hunters, taking out 4 on the charge, while taking 1 wound, consolidate. Wyches charge grey hunters, but take heavy overwatch, 3 die and i only claim 2 models in the assualt, we stay locked. His turn, Quad gun Shoots at the razorwing. 2 pens, i make snap shots the next turn and i lost a missle. Sliscus squad gets shot out, but only 1 dies, sliscus makes 3 shadowfield rolls passes em. Assault, Talos cleans up that squad winning combat, but takes another wound, Wyches get hammered in assault and the squad gets wiped.

Turn 3. I jump Sliscus over the defence line and wyches get in position for a all or nothing charge into Hunters. Talos moves forward but is really to far away to do much. Shooting. Dissies on the raiders continue to hammer the squads taking models here and there. Razorwing snap shots everything but only gets 1 kill. wyches through a plasma grenade and kill the wulfen guy. sliscus opens up on the squad inside the defence line, destroying the squad. All thats left is, 2 squads of grey hunters( 1 of 4 w/ rune priese and another of 5) Wyches charge and make the assault, overwatch drops 1. Hekatrix gets angry and drops 4 on her swing. Exchange blows and he loses his squad but i lose the haemy. consolidate to the objective.
His turn: moves into cover. Shoots at slicus squad with prescience rolled on his squad, kills 3, LD pass.

Turn 4 wyches contest. and everyone unloads on the squad. Game.

It was a tough battle but I feel I had the edge early with that first turn locking up units and dropping the thunderwolf. Would like to play this list again to see how it would fare against other things but till next time.

Any comments or suggestions are welcome so please comment away.!

Thanks for reading, G

Great battle report, I always love seeing the Mon keigh getting theres, but I believe you might have made a slight rules error charging the talos from reserve

Thanks Arthas. Oh Please elaborate, off the top of my head, i cant recall, i figured since the talos came off of boards edge he wouldn't have any restrictions. But I will most definetely look it up again. Thanks for pointing that out. Also, got a 1500pt tournament tomorrow, any suggestions, tactics/combos you have been working out, I would like to refine this list to be pretty competitive and ready to take on pretty much anything.

Looks like it was an awesome game. Just to confrim, you're wyches all rolled double 6's on their assault move? I assume it's possible with fleet but highly unlikely. And you would both have to be at the edge of the deployment zone because your transpot can move 6" if anything is going to disembark, and then the unit disembarks 6" and cannot move any farther in the movement phase. So in short you can move 12" and would need to assault 12" to hit your opponent on t1.

Sphe, thanks for your comment. Our board was shorter than normal and the way he deployed allowed me to get an assault in on T1. So I played 3 games over the weekend with this list and it was pretty interesting, twice against Wolves and then against a MC tyranid list. Did some nice damage to Nids, but Wolves still gave me a hard time.Won one and got a draw on the next. For some reason in all 3 games the incubi squad never made it to combat. Which was dissapointing because i wanted to really see how they hold up against wolves in assault. Oh well. Oh and I hate interceptor.