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I see a lot of discussion about whether such and such list has been made not viable by 6th edition.

While it seems to me to be an impossible question to answer since opponent knowledge and skill probably trumps it all, it did get me wondering whether there is a belief that a particular army simply cannot be a consistent winner under 6th edition against an opponent of average skill ?

an impossible question to answer since opponent knowledge and skill probably trumps it all

this, there has never been such a thing as an unplayable army. the only really big shift that I've seen is that crons ruined everyones tank fetish

Squats.

I'd say the answer to that question depends on whether you're willing to get forced into taking SCs for your HQ or not. :I

wrong topic

The only outright "auto-lose" army is still a Daemon army that comes up against tailored and/or Warp Quake GK's.

Hopefully the new Daemon releases & codex amendments coming in the next WD will help us out a bit against those gakholes who think they're superstars for playing a dirty trick and hiding behind their gimmicky rules.

Tyranid full reserve lists. >.>

Dark Eldar Assault/WWP lists.

Experiment 626 wrote:The only outright "auto-lose" army is still a Daemon army that comes up against tailored and/or Warp Quake GK's.

Hopefully the new Daemon releases & codex amendments coming in the next WD will help us out a bit against those gakholes who think they're superstars for playing a dirty trick and hiding behind their gimmicky rules.

And it still isn't an auto-loss, just an enormous disadvantage.

I think the idea was lists which used to be valid, but are now riddled with problems that reduce their playability to the point of non-competition.

- WWP Dark Eldar. No more ability to assault from the portal means you are dumping unarmoured T3 in rapid-fire range.
- DoA Blood Angels. You now need a ground force that can survive T1 and both Melta and FNP have lost ground. At the very least it means that you cant go 100% reserve.
- Pyrovore-Ripper-Fex spam. The tournament meta weeps for the loss.

Mozzamanx wrote:- Pyrovore-Ripper-Fex spam. The tournament meta weeps for the loss.

Not sure if serious... Was that ever a competitive list?

There's no single codex that's unplayable, but there's a whole lot of army builds that simply do not function anymore (WWP, assault outflank, mech heavy, reserve denial, etc) that often require basically building a new army to get functional again in some cases.

pretre wrote:

Mozzamanx wrote:- Pyrovore-Ripper-Fex spam. The tournament meta weeps for the loss.

Not sure if serious... Was that ever a competitive list?

uh, yeah. pyrovores were THE most awesome unit last edition, try to keep up

pretre wrote:
Not sure if serious... Was that ever a competitive list?

6-9 'Fex with Devourers, 6-9 Pyro-Spores and the rest in Rippers/Skyslashers. Each 'Fex carried 12 TL S6 shots for transports, and tanks were facing buckets of S10 CC hits. Pyros Pod into enemy objectives and just let rip into infantry with superflamers and death-explosions, while Rippers are just buckets and buckets of attacks. Horrible list, though I don't think it ever won any major tourneys.


And yes, Stealershock is another casualty due to the removal of Outflank assaults. Overwatch didn't really help matters, although Broodlords can get some use from the new powers. Not holding out a lot of hope for Mechanised Eldar either thanks to the Hullpoint system and AV12 on everyone.

Any army is viable, its whether or not the player can make it work that makes the difference.