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After the retcon, which of the 4 c'tans do you think could cause the most trouble for the galaxy in the future?

It depends on how many shards of each C'Tan (of which there's more than 4) are roaming the galaxy. The Void Dragon shard may be the most powerful, but if the only rogue shard of it is the one bound on mars, then it's not going to cause the kind of damage the plots of 100 rogue Deceiver shards will unleash upon the galaxy.

All the C'Tan are a threat to the galaxy. None are less threatening than another, some are simply more direct and immediate threats than others.

VampireDeLaVega wrote:After the retcon, which of the 4 c'tans do you think could cause the most trouble for the galaxy in the future?

There are a more than 4 C'tan now.

And really, if any of them were return to their full power, they would be Nigh unstoppable.

If I have it right, C'Tan are basically the 'Chaos Gods' of the materium? Well, if four Chaos Gods can cause so much trouble from the immaterium, I'd hate to imagine a coupe of their equivalents in the materium

Void Dragon, and gak the shards concept.

Void Dragon is powerful (when he's fully charged) but I contest that there are bigger threats to the Galaxy.

Chaos
Necrons
Tyranids
ETC...

The shards of the Deceiver would be the most troublesome by far, not necessarily by raw might but by the deceit, cunning and trolling he is legendary for.

Shards of the Nightbringer would be scary but would attract a lot of attention if he pulled off anything big which would result in the crons sic'ing him faster than he can say "I am Death Incarnate!" - if he's intelligent enough to speak.

Shards of the Void Dragon are also potentially very frightening but he being a pretty intelligent guy would be subtle about it as he doesn't want any crons breathing down his neck. Probably would "corrupt" some machines, maybe even some STC's in a manner that makes the Imperium think "CHAOS!!!!" which would result in those machines being destroyed, or his corrupting of the machines would result in a deadly accident (like cutting the brake line equivalent of a land speeder that some high ranking inquisitor likes to cruise in) weakening the Imperium little by little.

Shards of the Outsider have potential to be, simply, extremely frightening. Being known as the Lord of Insanity, those that come into his presence have been known to go stark raving mad and even be driven to suicide. So if the presence of a Shard could affect an entire city or even planet, you would then have a major crisis on your hands which the Imperium would probably blame on Chaos and could potentially slip past the attention of Necrons looking for his shards.

As for the other shards of other C'tan, hard to say as none of them have really been fleshed out.

All of them.
Seriously, can you imagine what would happen if all of the shards were combined?

Before the retcon, the nightbringer was the toughest. I'd say he still is. Sure the Void Dragon looked scary on paper but he never really did anything. So with the c'tan all locked up, I'd say the pre-retcon c'tan are what the c'tan we have now would be if they got loose.

But if they were that powerful and would be the greatest threat to the galaxy, wouldn't they have been able to survive the fight against the necrons?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:All of them.
Seriously, can you imagine what would happen if all of the shards were combined?

Power Ranger C'tanZorg?

Iranna.

Heh, I would actually start watching power rangers if that happened.

Wait retcon? Also I believe the outsider went nuts and ran away, which means that he probably wasn't destroyed by the crons as he is theorized to be the hive mind. Also according to previous fiction the void dragon is on mars, as in the whole void dragon. Anyway, the cross overs between established necron fact from the old dex times and the new dex are really confusing. But if either of the things I said above are true then the outsider is the most immedtaitly dangerous to the galaxy and the void dragon, as he is the most powerful of the c'tan, is the most dangerous because he is the most dangerous

LordofHats wrote:If I have it right, C'Tan are basically the 'Chaos Gods' of the materium? Well, if four Chaos Gods can cause so much trouble from the immaterium, I'd hate to imagine a coupe of their equivalents in the materium

Eh, yes and no. The C'Tan, pre-shattering, were silly powerful, and they were able to tell the laws of physics to STFU without using the warp to do so. That said, they would still not be as dangerous as the Ruinous Powers simply because of the nature of the warp relative to the materium. The C'Tan are able to do otherwise impossible things because they are powerful, but using their power is going to cost them some sort of energy, and they're finite beings so there is a limit to what they can pull off. The warp is able to do otherwise impossible things, because by it's very nature it tells the otherwise sober laws of physics to head down to the bar and start doing tequila shots. The warp, by it's very nature creates impossibilities, whereas the C'Tan are still saddled with the laws of the materium, it's just that by expending power, they are able to bend and/or break them.

Not that having fully intact C'Tan running around wouldn't result in Dwarf Fortress levels of fun.

daveNYC wrote:

LordofHats wrote:If I have it right, C'Tan are basically the 'Chaos Gods' of the materium? Well, if four Chaos Gods can cause so much trouble from the immaterium, I'd hate to imagine a coupe of their equivalents in the materium

Eh, yes and no. The C'Tan, pre-shattering, were silly powerful, and they were able to tell the laws of physics to STFU without using the warp to do so. That said, they would still not be as dangerous as the Ruinous Powers simply because of the nature of the warp relative to the materium. The C'Tan are able to do otherwise impossible things because they are powerful, but using their power is going to cost them some sort of energy, and they're finite beings so there is a limit to what they can pull off. The warp is able to do otherwise impossible things, because by it's very nature it tells the otherwise sober laws of physics to head down to the bar and start doing tequila shots. The warp, by it's very nature creates impossibilities, whereas the C'Tan are still saddled with the laws of the materium, it's just that by expending power, they are able to bend and/or break them.

Not that having fully intact C'Tan running around wouldn't result in Dwarf Fortress levels of fun.

Well, the Old C'tan DID figure out a way to severe the Immaterium from the Materium which would have effectively starved out the Insane beings of chaos and return the Warp to what it once was.

Nemesor wrote:Wait retcon? Also I believe the outsider went nuts and ran away, which means that he probably wasn't destroyed by the crons as he is theorized to be the hive mind. Also according to previous fiction the void dragon is on mars, as in the whole void dragon. Anyway, the cross overs between established necron fact from the old dex times and the new dex are really confusing. But if either of the things I said above are true then the outsider is the most immedtaitly dangerous to the galaxy and the void dragon, as he is the most powerful of the c'tan, is the most dangerous because he is the most dangerous

I agree with you here about the outsider, which would explain why the Tyranid's would go for Necrons in the first place . Plus, if the Void Dragon really was on Mars, wouldn't mhe be able to smash Terra? If not, why can't he/she/it/shim?

Because the emperor was able to (barely) beat the Void Dragon when it was in an extremely weakened state and then shove it into stasis on Mars.