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Now I've seen many people have been consistent on the IFV vs APC , I personally think that the chimera is possible the best non artillery unit , considerable in Apoc , flanking I company sized unit can be delivered with amazing results . Also if you gear it right you gain incredible firesupport , many will argue that he leman Russ is better but I say it depends , now what I wan to know is Do you think the chimera is truly the workhorse of the imperium or is it not? Tell me your reasons and let me know I'm just curious , thanks

In game, maybe. In the fluff? Hordes an armour.

Sorry, the Russ wins for me every time. The chimera has it's place - as transport and fire support. It cannot effectively engage Av12+, nor efficiently deal with heavy infantry (4+ save types). Combined with the higher Av values, the Russ in definitely the backbone of the Imperial Guard for me.

Chimera is the BMP-1 of fluff (which it's visually designed off of). Useful and seem really great, but they die, a lot and easily.

Tabletop is another matter though, and it's probably one of the best APC's in the game after the Razorback.

The Chimera is an IFV , the chimera is far more flexible then the Russ tanks , with the chimera you can put a las cannon team in for long range AT or plasma Dou for close range dominance , a Russ is a tank it's great for its job but not do much on everything else

liquidjoshi wrote:Sorry, the Russ wins for me every time. The chimera has it's place - as transport and fire support. It cannot effectively engage Av12+, nor efficiently deal with heavy infantry (4+ save types). Combined with the higher Av values, the Russ in definitely the backbone of the Imperial Guard for me.

Well it can be equipped with an autocannon. Granted the Russ or at least some heavier tank is needed fluffwise in the IG.

The Chimera's pretty awesome for an IFV, even if you're just using it to shuttle vets around it adds some outstanding crunch to a point defense that requires some slightly more careful planning on the part of your opponent. Chances are it won't hold out long given it's aversion to heavy armor and infantry, but the supporting grunts should be able to help with that and every turn your enemy's shooting at the Chimeras is a turn leaving your heavy armor and artillery free to engage/maneuver at will.

Kasrkin229 wrote:The Chimera is an IFV , the chimera is far more flexible then the Russ tanks , with the chimera you can put a las cannon team in for long range AT or plasma Dou for close range dominance , a Russ is a tank it's great for its job but not do much on everything else

See now this is very confusing to me. The Russ is much more flexible in every way. The only thing the chimera has on the Russ is its transportation ability. The Russ has better AT, better anti horde, better MEQ, and has much more options. The regular Russ an have four different sponson upgrades and two hull weapons. The chimera gets two turret weapons and two hull weapons. Granted, it can transport units, but the Russ has a total of 5 more armor value points and has the lumbering behemoth special rule. A Russ will always (unless the chimera can get to its backside, which wouldn't happen usually) kill its equivalent in points of chimeras. And we haven't even begun to talk about the different Russ tanks.

The hallmark of the leman Russ is that it is an all rounder and does everything well

I think Kaskrin also means that for its point cost its flexible as well. If you loose a Russ you're not happy, but you could have three chimeras for a similar point cost and they can each have different flavours of troop weapons inside so they are more flexible.

You're absolutely right though, its not a tank, it never will be, but it is certainly more flexible for what it does.

Jihadnik wrote:I think Kaskrin also means that for its point cost its flexible as well. If you loose a Russ you're not happy, but you could have three chimeras for a similar point cost and they can each have different flavours of troop weapons inside so they are more flexible.

You're absolutely right though, its not a tank, it never will be, but it is certainly more flexible for what it does.

I agree they are flexible, and I agree that they are fantastic units. I just do not agree with the idea that they are more flexible than a leman russ