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Can I get a answer, my gaming group is playing this both ways and its annoying because some people say its one way and another the other way.

Can I shoot a unit 24'' away with stormbolters and kill the rest of the models in that units even if they are over 24'' away, meaning my guns would be out of range
for those models in the same unit.

Read wound allocation rules, top left of the page it discusses LOS and Range and how it affects allocation.

At least ten people have read that section and are still coming up with mutiple different answers, mass confusion.

Lets say you have 10 devilgaunts (3 shots each, 18" range.) shooting at 10 marines. Both units are kind of spread out.

The 3 gaunts in the back are all more than 18" away from even the closest marine. they cannot fire at all.

Even the closest gaunt is still over 18" away from 4 of the marines.

7 gaunts would get to shoot, and wound the marines. *All* ten marines can be removed as casualties.

p. 15 says to keep removing models until "the whole unit has been removed."
There is later a caveat for models out of LoS, but no caveat for models out of range.

nvm

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Neroman wrote:There is, check the next page, I don't have it on hand with me, but it says if the models is out of the weapon(s) range the wounds left over in the pool are lost.

where?

It says you can't remove a model you can't see, but it says to remove models until there are no more wounds left or the whole unit has been removed ...

Does it say you can only remove a model as a casualty if it was in range of at least one model?

Sorry, Mega brain fart. I have failed you!

The next page deals with firing models that get left out of range due to the closest target models being removed. As long as they were within range of the closest model before firing they count as in range for the duration.

Then it goes on to say that models out of line of sight waste all remaining wounds in the pool.

Somehow I read this as models out of range as well on first reading, but it's only LOS.

"As long as a model was in range of the enemy when to hit rolls were made, he is considered to be in range for the duration of the shooting attack, even if the removal of casualties means that the closest model now lies out of range"

This makes it seem that if the model in question is out of range when to hit rolls were made than he would be considered out of range for the duragon of the shooting attack and unable to take any wounds from that shooting?




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Actually that is just saying if my back model was withing 24' and I put the front model he is still considered part of the shooting because initally he was in range.

Read it again, but this time read "a model" as "a firing model".

So, it's saying that of all 10 of your Marines are within 24" of just one Ork in a larger Mob, then all of the marines are considered "in range" and may fire.

yup.
I think this is all clear, what's the cause of the 'mass confusion' ?

The 'range' rule on the next page is because of wound pools.

Lets say your marines shoot bolters, but one guy only has a pistol.
The closest enemy is 11" away, but all the rest are 13"-20" away.

If you choose to resolve the bolter wounds first, then it is likely that first model will get removed.
Now you resolve the pistol shot; at this point there are no targets in range. This rule says that doesn't matter, since they were in range when the shooting started.

Basically, it just confirms that all shooting happens simultaneously, eventhough wounds are resolved sequentially.