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So my wheel got churning while I was eating a salad at dinner and I came up with an alliance that is somewhat unsavory; however, it combines almost all of my favorite things.

The list:

Primary Detachment

H.Q.

Coteaz -100

Troops

Warrior Acolytes 4x
3x Plasma Guns, Chimera: HF/ML -101

Warrior Acolytes 4x
Razorback: Psybolt Ammo -66

Warrior Acolytes 4x
Razorback: Psybolt Ammo -66

Warrior Acolytes 4x
Razorback: Psybolt Ammo -66

Fast Attack

Storm Raven
Assault Cannon, Multi Melta -205

Storm Raven
Assault Cannon, Multi Melta -205

Heavy Support

Dreadnought
2x Twin Linked Autocannons, Psybolt Ammo -135

Dreadnought
2x Twin Linked Autocannons, Psybolt Ammo -135


Secondary Detachment
H.Q.

Thunderwolf Lord
Storm Shield, Thunder Hammer, Runic Armor, Wolf Tooth Necklace, Saga of the Bear -270

Rune Priest 100
Now before anyone goes crazy, I think this is legit due to the Space Wolves getting 2 H.Q.'s per slot

Troops

Grey Hunters 6x
Melta, Mark of the Wulfen, Wolf Standard, Rhino -155

Grey Hunters 6x
Melta, Mark of the Wulfen, Wolf Standard, Rhino -155

Fast Attack

Thunderwolves 3x
Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield, Storm Shield, Naked -240

Total: 1999

Thoughts anyone?

Edited because it was confusing for some people

It would be legit anyway as you get a separate force org for the allies but you should split up the list to say which is the main force and which are allies

Well the seperate force org is not available for these events as they are keeping them at 1999+1. I guess I could separate the two, just figured it would be self explanatory.

Mmmmm after a quick look, I may be wrong, I see a problem.

Regarding the SW as primary detachmetn no probs, 2 HQ, 2 TR and 1 FA.

Being this 1 PRIMARY detachment you may take 1 ALLIED detachment and here things stop to works.

You have from GK, 1HQ, 4 TR, 2 FA and 2 HV.

So 2 TR, 1 FA and 1HV more than the quantity normally allowed for each ALLIED detachment.

If you want so many not-troops elements from an Allied codex you'l have to:
1) build 2 PRIMARY DETACHMENTS from the primary codex (SW). Obviously this mean the basic compulsory 1xHQ+2xTR for each one.

2)Consequentely, for each PRIMARY DETACHMENT you'll may build an eligible ALLIED detachment (both from the same codex), composed by the compulsory 1x HQ+1x TR and, as optional, JUST 1x EL, 1x FA, 1xHV and a second TR for each. I mean for each Allied detachment.

So, as it is right now the list is illegal.

Besides, what mray01 mean, is to write the list in a more comprehensive way. Something like this:

PRIMARY DETACHMENT - codex SW
HQ-
TR-
FA-
etc..

ALLIED DETACHMENT - codex GK
HQ-
TR-
FA-
etc..

I hope it's clear, my english is limitated ;D.

The Grey Knights are supposed to be the Primary Detachment with the Space Wolves being secondary...

Well... yes. It was so easy.. lol

Anyway, apart the inevitable "number of units" problems (may we still call them KPs ;D), the nature of these units is the greater problem.

You field a very good armor saturation, no doubth, but many of them are quitely fragile. Starting first (more than often) will certainly help you.

I will drop the searchlights on Stormravens (they will come in game from the 2nd/3rd turn when, a part in particular cases, nightfighting wouldn't be in effects).
I will even drop the WTN on the Thunder Lord (not particulary necessary) and take another member for the Coteaz unit, jsut in case all the 4 plasmagunners will burns.

Another thing, doesn't acolytes units may have only 3 special weapons?

I hate you

Seemed obvious enough given the title!

Interesting list. Lots of scoring units, even if they are small and vulnerable. You'll be relying on that light armor terribly.

I can see why you took the Storm Ravens, but I just dislike that they are acting solely as gunships. That's some expensive firepower, all things considered.

I'd just be concerned with the Storm Ravens doing enough damage and your non-Grey Hunter troops lasting on their objectives.

You did give me an idea for a list though...

@Toban

Good catch on the warriors only being able to take 3 Special Weapons per unit. I guess I'll drop that 4th Plasma Gunner and see what I can work in. I'll probably just throw a couple extra warriors throughout the troop choices to make them less feeble.

While the Scoring units are fairly small and fragile, for the most part I haven't had too many problems especially given that there are 6 troops to begin with. In many cases, quantity wins out over quality. Additionally, of the missions being played 2/3 of them have either Big Guns Never tire or Scouring so that Fast Attack and Heavy Choices are counted as scoring. Also, for NOVA, I can go on the Warlord Chart and possibly make the Wolf Lord Scoring as well.

@mercer

At least you aren't indifferent...means at least someone's paying attention


@cowmonaut

Yeah, it bothers me as well to have the Ravens riding around with no cargo in their holds but that's the price to pay when you're running around with a 500 point hammer unit.

Initially, I had it running with Paladins when it was a Pure Grey Knight list but they just seemed too slow and way too expensive for what they did.

@all

There's still plenty to work with. A few thoughts are to drop the 3rd Razorback squad to flesh out the Grey Hunters and give them more of a presence or use the points to flesh out the Scoring units.

Since GK and SW are not battle brothers, they will consider each other's units as enemies. In particular, their psykers are going to be cancelling each others powers.

And just FYI - I think you should burn yourself as a heretic for making this list.

Well the powers that Rune Priest would be rolling with will have no effect on the Grey Knights so no cancelling out there. Worrying about the Rune Priest cancelling out Coteaz is another issue entirely and that is no big difficulty...just use my powers intelligently.

If I was allying with Eldar, then that would just be plain dumb...

And saying that I should burn as a heretic makes me a sad panda :(

After some play testing this weekend, I realized I won't have the models I need to do the list this weekend. In going to the ATC a few weeks back, I took the following list and went 4-1-1 with and feel real comfortable with. I feel like it is a healthy substitution for such short notice:

H.Q.

Coteaz -100

Librarian
Warding Stave, Warp Rift, Shrouding, Sanctuary, Might of Titan, 2x Servo Skulls -215

Elites

Venerable Dreadnought
2x Twin Linked Autocannons, Psybolt Ammunition -195

Troops

Acolyte Warriors 3x
Razorback: Psybolt Ammunition -62

Acolyte Warriors 3x
Razorback: Psybolt Ammunition -62

Acolyte Warriors 3x
Razorback: Psybolt Ammunition -62

Acolyte Warriors 3x
Razorback: Psybolt Ammunition -62

Death Cult Assassin 6x, Crusader 4x
DCA's: 6 Swords, 6 Axes. Crusaders: 4 Axes, Storm Shields -150

Death Cult Assassin 6x, Crusader 4x
DCA's: 6 Swords, 6 Axes. Crusaders: 4 Axes, Storm Shields -150

Fast Attack

Storm Raven
Lascannon, Multi-Melta, Searchlight -206

Storm Raven
Lascannon, Multi-Melta, Searchlight -206

Heavy Support

Dreadnought
2x Twin Linked Autocannons, Psybolt Ammunition -135

Dreadnought
2x Twin Linked Autocannons, Psybolt Ammunition -135

Dreadknight
Personal Teleporter, Heavy Incinerator, Greatsword -260

Total: 2000