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I would love to see the Relic blade as AP2 without a hit on initiative. After all, they're a costly upgrade (captain/master and honour guard), and not very widespread.
It would come in line with the Necrons war-scythes which are +2S AP1, armourbane (but no Initiative hit), and would make honour guards more tempting to field.

Does it seem abusive? What does dakka think?

Dakka thinks you should accept a new edition has new rules.

DarknessEternal* thinks you should accept a new edition has new rules.

I have no problems with letting an expensive, fluffy weapon be AP2, especially when compared with the options of other codecies as you point out.

The thing is that now, Relic Blades are now no longer a no-brainer option. With a captain, the only reason to fit any weapon other than a relic blade was for fluff reason or some sort of mental disorder (joke, by the way). Now, you can take a power weapon that strikes at initiative and +2S, or spend those points to get a real AP2 weapon like a hammer or fist for similar price.

To me, it seems far more balanced in terms of wargear options. Now there's a reason to buy a fist/hammer over a relic blade, where as before there was none. Its balanced as is; if you want AP2 goodness, accept that you'll have to strike at I1 to do it.

Ha we cry out for a balanced 40k, we start to get a little semblance of it, and we complain because it isnt balanced how we like it.

On that note though, just homerule it. Your argument for is pretty fair, hell id let you. Just make sure to explain your reasoning first, isnt like 40k hasnt been at least 20% homerules for god knows how long anyway, why should 6ed be any different

phoenix darkus wrote:I would love to see the Relic blade as AP2 without a hit on initiative. After all, they're a costly upgrade (captain/master and honour guard), and not very widespread.
It would come in line with the Necrons war-scythes which are +2S AP1, armourbane (but no Initiative hit), and would make honour guards more tempting to field.

Does it seem abusive? What does dakka think?

they would be too good at AP2. only 5 points more than a fist to strike at full initiative?
perhaps if they didnt give you the +2 str, if they were just 30 point specialist weapon and AP2, perhaps that might be a viable option.

With the +2 str AND AP2 AND striking at initiative they should cost around 50pts

Exergy wrote:

phoenix darkus wrote:I would love to see the Relic blade as AP2 without a hit on initiative. After all, they're a costly upgrade (captain/master and honour guard), and not very widespread.
It would come in line with the Necrons war-scythes which are +2S AP1, armourbane (but no Initiative hit), and would make honour guards more tempting to field.

Does it seem abusive? What does dakka think?

they would be too good at AP2. only 5 points more than a fist to strike at full initiative?
perhaps if they didnt give you the +2 str, if they were just 30 point specialist weapon and AP2, perhaps that might be a viable option.

With the +2 str AND AP2 AND striking at initiative they should cost around 50pts

Granted its only 5 points more than a fist but its 15 points more than a power maul, which gives +2 strength and strikes at initiative. It's not that bad if you ask me, especially since you lose the additional attack just as you would with a fist.

DarknessEternal wrote:Dakka thinks you should accept a new edition has new rules.

Pretty much. The number of these rules threads to corrsct "oversights" in the new rules are getting monotonous. Propose rules for something new, not something there are already rules for...

Orblivion wrote:

Exergy wrote:

phoenix darkus wrote:I would love to see the Relic blade as AP2 without a hit on initiative. After all, they're a costly upgrade (captain/master and honour guard), and not very widespread.
It would come in line with the Necrons war-scythes which are +2S AP1, armourbane (but no Initiative hit), and would make honour guards more tempting to field.

Does it seem abusive? What does dakka think?

they would be too good at AP2. only 5 points more than a fist to strike at full initiative?
perhaps if they didnt give you the +2 str, if they were just 30 point specialist weapon and AP2, perhaps that might be a viable option.

With the +2 str AND AP2 AND striking at initiative they should cost around 50pts

Granted its only 5 points more than a fist but its 15 points more than a power maul, which gives +2 strength and strikes at initiative. It's not that bad if you ask me, especially since you lose the additional attack just as you would with a fist.

but the maul is only AP4.

Exergy wrote:

Orblivion wrote:

Exergy wrote:

phoenix darkus wrote:I would love to see the Relic blade as AP2 without a hit on initiative. After all, they're a costly upgrade (captain/master and honour guard), and not very widespread.
It would come in line with the Necrons war-scythes which are +2S AP1, armourbane (but no Initiative hit), and would make honour guards more tempting to field.

Does it seem abusive? What does dakka think?

they would be too good at AP2. only 5 points more than a fist to strike at full initiative?
perhaps if they didnt give you the +2 str, if they were just 30 point specialist weapon and AP2, perhaps that might be a viable option.

With the +2 str AND AP2 AND striking at initiative they should cost around 50pts

Granted its only 5 points more than a fist but its 15 points more than a power maul, which gives +2 strength and strikes at initiative. It's not that bad if you ask me, especially since you lose the additional attack just as you would with a fist.

but the maul is only AP4.

I know that, but what I'm saying is you'd be paying an additional 15 points over a Power Maul plus an attack to get AP2 for the Relic Blade. That really doesn't seem OP to me.

And youd lose concussive, which is quite nice in my mind.