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Ok so I know the edition is new and everyone is getting new Codex's sooner or later and there will be more terrain and fortifications but in the mean time a player makes his or her own Aegis defense line specific to their race what weapons can they hang on it?

ie. According to the BRB p105 the weapon is per what is modeled. So does that mean I can throw a quad twin linked plasma rifle on a gun emplacement? Or have a Hammerhead Railgun Emplacement?

I am not going to touch skyfire or interceptor with this so please don't bring it into the conversation.

terminalmonky wrote:Ok so I know the edition is new and everyone is getting new Codex's sooner or later and there will be more terrain and fortifications but in the mean time a player makes his or her own Aegis defense line specific to their race what weapons can they hang on it?

ie. According to the BRB p105 the weapon is per what is modeled. So does that mean I can throw a quad twin linked plasma rifle on a gun emplacement? Or have a Hammerhead Railgun Emplacement?

There are no rules for a quad-plasma emplacement.

If you want to make a "counts-as" that is racially-appropriate, feel free - just keep the dimensions similar, and no one will have problems with it. But you're stuck with the currently-available rules, which are limited to Imperium weaponry.

I would think that it would be okay so long as you used the stats for the normal quad-interceptor guns and just modeled them up cool.

For casual play, I don't see why not so long as you okay it with your opponent.

In a tournament you could probably use it as a "counts as" a TL autocannon, or Icarus lascannon. As far as making your own ageis lines, so long as they are the same size you could make them out of anything.

I think you are confusing gun emplacements, which are battlefield terrain laid out like all other terrain before sides are chosen, and terrain that you purchase for your army, like the ADL.

The ADL clearly states what kind of guns it can have in its emplacements, either the Quad-gun, or Icarus Lascannon. There are no other choices.

Now, nothing is to stop you from building your own ADL with a railgun in it's weapon emplacement, but you could never purchase that piece as part of your army. It would have to be a regular piece of terrain, put onto the board before sides are chosen.

The idea of making army/race specific terrain like that is pretty cool though, and I've been thinking of making some for my orks to add to the ork terrain I've been building.

Just be aware that it will be a "Counts-as" Quad gun or Icarus lascannon. The bulk of people will appreciate your astetic alteration, as long as you use the rules for the Quad-gun or Icarus lascannon.

Local Eldar player has an Eldar Aegis defense line(basically shield generators) and a Quad gun made of an Eldar Weapons platform with 4 shiricats on it.

Grey Templar wrote:Just be aware that it will be a "Counts-as" Quad gun or Icarus lascannon. The bulk of people will appreciate your astetic alteration, as long as you use the rules for the Quad-gun or Icarus lascannon.

Local Eldar player has an Eldar Aegis defense line(basically shield generators) and a Quad gun made of an Eldar Weapons platform with 4 shiricats on it.

It only has to be 'counts-as' if it is taken as a 50+ point addition to one's army. Page 105 seems to leave open the opportunity to have gun emplacements as regular table-top terrain pieces, belonging to neither army, placed before the game and open for either army to make use of. These can have any weapon you want to model on them.

Janthkin wrote:

terminalmonky wrote:Ok so I know the edition is new and everyone is getting new Codex's sooner or later and there will be more terrain and fortifications but in the mean time a player makes his or her own Aegis defense line specific to their race what weapons can they hang on it?

ie. According to the BRB p105 the weapon is per what is modeled. So does that mean I can throw a quad twin linked plasma rifle on a gun emplacement? Or have a Hammerhead Railgun Emplacement?

There are no rules for a quad-plasma emplacement.

If you want to make a "counts-as" that is racially-appropriate, feel free - just keep the dimensions similar, and no one will have problems with it. But you're stuck with the currently-available rules, which are limited to Imperium weaponry.

But the p105 wording does not say anything about counts as. It says: "The type of weapon on the gun emplacement depends on the model that you're using to represent it - some shootingweapon profilescan be found starting on page 56."

And starting on p56 there are listings for everything from pistols to sniper rifles to a Vulcan Mega Bolter. So does that mean I can place any of those weapons on a gun emplacement or any weapon at all. I will take an Aegis Defense Line with a Vulcan spitting 15 S6 AP3 bolts all over the place. To heck to Skyfire at that point.

I guess that Quad Plasma was a bad analogy but can I take a Hammer Head Railgun and price it at the same points a Icarus Lascannon upgrade?


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helium42 wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Just be aware that it will be a "Counts-as" Quad gun or Icarus lascannon. The bulk of people will appreciate your astetic alteration, as long as you use the rules for the Quad-gun or Icarus lascannon.

Local Eldar player has an Eldar Aegis defense line(basically shield generators) and a Quad gun made of an Eldar Weapons platform with 4 shiricats on it.

It only has to be 'counts-as' if it is taken as a 50+ point addition to one's army. Page 105 seems to leave open the opportunity to have gun emplacements as regular table-top terrain pieces, belonging to neither army, placed before the game and open for either army to make use of. These can have any weapon you want to model on them.

Where is the 50+ point wording you are refering to?

No, you are not given permission to take a Aegis Defense Line with a Vulkan Mega Bolter. Only one with a Quad gun or Icarus lascannon.

You can make some terrain with a Vulkan Megabolter as a Gun Emplacement, but remember that it will be placed with other terrain. In which case your opponent might end up with it on his side of the board.

Grey Templar wrote:No, you are not given permission to take a Aegis Defense Line with a Vulkan Mega Bolter. Only one with a Quad gun or Icarus lascannon.

You can make some terrain with a Vulkan Megabolter as a Gun Emplacement, but remember that it will be placed with other terrain. In which case your opponent might end up with it on his side of the board.

That is exactly what I said in both of my posts.

terminalmonky wrote:Where is the 50+ point wording you are refering to?

Page 114, ADL costs 50 plus the cost of the gun emplacement.

According to BRB p.118-120, the deployment zones are determined and table side is determined before fortifications go on table and then terrain goes on table.

So I could see where I was getting caught up on making a Tau branded "Aegis Defense Line" instead what is allowed right now is a Tau fashioned defense line with gun emplacements as described in Battlefield Debris on p104. Which means it free. And it can either be placed as narrative or alternating form a pool. Right...So...Thanks.

I guess we are just screwed for race specific fortifications until GW releases them. I know fortifications are not really fluffy for Tau but i was hoping for something a bit more than asthetic than Imperial crate and barrel.


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helium42 wrote:I think you are confusing gun emplacements, which are battlefield terrain laid out like all other terrain before sides are chosen, and terrain that you purchase for your army, like the ADL.

The ADL clearly states what kind of guns it can have in its emplacements, either the Quad-gun, or Icarus Lascannon. There are no other choices.

Now, nothing is to stop you from building your own ADL with a railgun in it's weapon emplacement, but you could never purchase that piece as part of your army. It would have to be a regular piece of terrain, put onto the board before sides are chosen.

The idea of making army/race specific terrain like that is pretty cool though, and I've been thinking of making some for my orks to add to the ork terrain I've been building.

Yes you have said this several times and I appreciate it. I think I was replying each time you posted. Thanks for the replies.