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Just a question, when you are using a weapon with unwieldy, if you then use the quickening (gives initiative 10), which Initiative value applies? 1 or 10
thanks

Check in ur rulebook again, it'll say which one takes precedence. It should do anyway. Otherwise just go with I 10. Gives you a hand up in battles

Ok, thanks!

The quickening makes you initiative 10, but unwieldy makes you strike at initiative 1. So for any initiative tests or for sweeping advances and similar things you are initiative 10, but when it comes to actually attacking it would be at initiative 1.

initiative modifiers are very very clearly laid out in 40k.

Unwieldy weapons "Strike at Initiative 1" meaning, if you're I 10, you strike at I 1.

Do we pile in at I10 and Strike at I1?

Talamare wrote:Do we pile in at I10 and Strike at I1?

No, you pile in and strike at the same time.

So if you strike at I1 you pile in and strike then. If you are a GK with a Halberd you pile in and strike at I6 Etc.

P.23 is the rules for Pile in and striking when your initiative is reached.

Someon the other day was trying to explain this to me as well. Basically it came down to "the quickening being a set modifier" (Int 10) and unwieldy being a "set modifier" (Int 1). The concensus was that you would roll off every game turn to see which one takes precidance. I personnaly DO NOT aggree with this however, thats how it is played locally and as the new guy you cant quite fight city hall.

Dooley wrote:
Someon the other day was trying to explain this to me as well. Basically it came down to "the quickening being a set modifier" (Int 10) and unwieldy being a "set modifier" (Int 1). The concensus was that you would roll off every game turn to see which one takes precidance. I personnaly DO NOT aggree with this however, thats how it is played locally and as the new guy you cant quite fight city hall.

"A model attacking with this weapon must do so at I1." (BRB p43)

"The unit is initiative 10 for the rest of the turn." (GK codex, p25)

The unwieldy weapon doesn't care if the unit's initiative is set at 10. They must still strike at I1. I wouldn't allow that crap.

Those who've said "The models count as Initiative 10 but strikes at Initiative 1 in the OPs' scenario" Have the right of it.

Unweildy is not a set modifier. It doesn't alter (set, modify, etc) your models' initiative value at all; It just changes which initiative value the model piles in and strikes at.

The argument he was making was that both those things are "Set Value Mofiers" and thus require a roll off. One sets your Int to 10 the other 1. I still think it is pretty lame. Anything unweildy is still unwieldy!!!

Unwieldy is not a set modifier, to be a set modifier it has to set a certain thing to a certain value, it does nothing of the sort, it simply causes you to strike at a specific time during the combat.

Would a rule that says "A model attacking with this weapon does so before any other participants of the combat have struck" be a set modifier for initiative? If so what is it setting it to?

It's really the same situation, the mention of "Initiative Step 1" has no bearing on the fact that it's just a rule telling you when to strike

Fair enough. That is what I was thinking as well. May have to stick to my guns on this one.