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There are a few elements of WWII that haven't been touched on, and now that the Battle of the Bulge is done, it seems a good time to go back over it to focus on lesser known elements or Campaigns. My short list would be...

EW

1. Norway Campaign, British, Norwegians and French against German units, also Fjord battles so you can have Naval Gunfire support and Naval Air cover.

MW

1. Raiding rules for Allied Commando's across the whole of Europe, could call it "Set Europe Ablaze".

LW

1. Operation Infatuate, Battle of Walcheren Causeway and the Scheldt by Candian 1st Army and British 2nd Army.

2. Operation Anvil / Operation Dragoon, the landings at Cannes in Southern France, oft overlooked.

Don't they still have to finish off late war Italy. I would like to see a book that is just dedicated to Special forces units. ie. commandos, SAS, OSS, etc. And maybe a book dedicated purely to partisan groups ie FFI, otriad, milice, werwolfs, etc. Know that I think of it there are no pro-axis partisan units in FoW currently, maybe some of those too..

The Norway campaigns with the commandos would be brilliant. Also I'd love to see the Battles west of the Rhine like Koln or Remegen bridge, purely because I'd want to see American Pershing tanks.

Agreed on both Counts, more Raiders, Special Forces, Partisan's for Axis powers and also some more Italy, and Eastern Europe (Greece, Romania, etc) also more in the Middle East.

Also it's time for Far East, Singapore, Guadalcanal, Burma, US Marines, Japanese and others.

Makarov wrote:Don't they still have to finish off late war Italy. I would like to see a book that is just dedicated to Special forces units. ie. commandos, SAS, OSS, etc. And maybe a book dedicated purely to partisan groups ie FFI, otriad, milice, werwolfs, etc. Know that I think of it there are no pro-axis partisan units in FoW currently, maybe some of those too..

Yer... There aint many books on pro-axis partisans, as there wasnt many of them in the real war. You have some in Yugoslavia but they tended to change sides on a daily basis. You also had some Baltic groups, but they were pro-Baltic independance, not pro-Axis. The Werwolf did not exist in any true sense and was just propaganda effort more than anything. Not a single action can be proven to be related to Werwolf activity.

Oh, and the Milice are not a Partisan group. They were a paramilitary Police force that help round up people and murder them for the Germans.

Nasty bunch of scumbags to be honest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milice

I'd really like to see a winter war or Barbarossa supplement. I would love to run a t-26 swarm against some panzer 2s. Also, the idea of the KV-1 in early war would be frightening.

Big P wrote:

Makarov wrote:Don't they still have to finish off late war Italy. I would like to see a book that is just dedicated to Special forces units. ie. commandos, SAS, OSS, etc. And maybe a book dedicated purely to partisan groups ie FFI, otriad, milice, werwolfs, etc. Know that I think of it there are no pro-axis partisan units in FoW currently, maybe some of those too..

Yer... There aint many books on pro-axis partisans, as there wasnt many of them in the real war. You have some in Yugoslavia but they tended to change sides on a daily basis. You also had some Baltic groups, but they were pro-Baltic independance, not pro-Axis. The Werwolf did not exist in any true sense and was just propaganda effort more than anything. Not a single action can be proven to be related to Werwolf activity.

Oh, and the Milice are not a Partisan group. They were a paramilitary Police force that help round up people and murder them for the Germans.

Nasty bunch of scumbags to be honest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milice

I never said that they were nice people, hell most of the German/Soviet lists in this game have committed some form of war crime.

Back on topic:
But, there was some any resistance. Ok maybe they weren't pro axis, but there was definitively anti-soviet. You could still represent that in game. Hell there were anti Soviet guerrillas that were in operation till the 60s. I just want to change it up a bit. Also some a late war French resistance list would be nice.


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Albeezie wrote:I'd really like to see a winter war or Barbarossa supplement. I would love to run a t-26 swarm against some panzer 2s. Also, the idea of the KV-1 in early war would be frightening.

That is actually going to be the next Early war release, and it will be done sometime next year.

Next early-war release will be winter war (Barbarossa?) in 2013.

http://viewfromtheturret.com/2012/06/23/wwpd-interview-with-john-paul-from-battlefront/


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mwnciboo wrote:Agreed on both Counts, more Raiders, Special Forces, Partisan's for Axis powers and also some more Italy, and Eastern Europe (Greece, Romania, etc) also more in the Middle East.

Also it's time for Far East, Singapore, Guadalcanal, Burma, US Marines, Japanese and others.

Honestly I could see them finishing Europe by late 2013/2014.

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I never said that they were nice people, hell most of the German/Soviet lists in this game have committed some form of war crime.

No... You said they were partisans, which they were not. They were an armed militia unit used to round up and execute the opposition and resistance. largely formed from the dregs of society, often criminals, who took it as a way of escaping forced labour in Germany. They executed not only captured Resistance fighters, but also political opposition and captured SOE and SAS personnel.

Im not sure why they would feature in a FOW book, they are not a viable military unit... Whats next? Einsatzgruppen?

Well late war French Rsistance would really morph into semi-regular units used to invest German 'fortress' positions.

As I said... Baltic Resistance were pro-independance... ie anti-Soviet. Their last recorded 'terror' act was in 1973, though they ceased as a true fighting formation after a Red Army sweep in the mid 1950s.

Its not sexy, but I think the Balkans would be neat.

I also think Khalkin Gol (sp? Sino-Russian 1939) would be interesting.

I've always thought that battle and the divisions between the two trains of thought in the Soviet military, especially as it pertained to armored and mechanized warfare, dictated alot on how the early years of the eastern front played out.

Shotgun wrote:Its not sexy, but I think the Balkans would be neat.

You are joking?


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Shotgun wrote:I also think Khalkin Gol (sp? Sino-Russian 1939) would be interesting.

I think you will find that was the Japanese and not the Chinese.

Actually Khalkin-Gol was the opposite to how the early part of the Eastern Front played out.

Khalkin-Gol featured massed armoured attacks, Barbarossa saw Soviet armoured deployedin penny-packets.

And yes... It was the Japanese. Who said FOW needs history!


Balkans... Hmmm... Interesting theatre of war. Would seem utterly unlikely to be playable with FOW to a degree though.

Operation Rutter ....

My bad. Brain was thinking Japanese, hands wrote Sino.

And that is my exact point about Khalkin Gol and Barbarossa. It's like they forgot everything they experienced in Manchuria. And its not like they killed off the generals invovled other than Smushkevich. Heck Zhukov was pivotal thoughout the rest of the war.

One has to think that if the real life experiences gained in that battle had been applied to the early days of the war, the advanatges they had in numbers would have shown better results. I think Guderian even hinted at that, but it has been awile since I read Panzer Leader.

And yes, I think the Balkans and the Greek campaign, from a FoW standpoint would be very interesting, especially when played as a theatre. The Italians initial push, the Greek ability to resist, the addition of the Brits and Germans...I think it would appeal to a wider range of early war players.

Shotgun wrote:My bad. Brain was thinking Japanese, hands wrote Sino.

And that is my exact point about Khalkin Gol and Barbarossa. It's like they forgot everything they experienced in Manchuria. And its not like they killed off the generals invovled other than Smushkevich. Heck Zhukov was pivotal thoughout the rest of the war.

One has to think that if the real life experiences gained in that battle had been applied to the early days of the war, the advanatges they had in numbers would have shown better results. I think Guderian even hinted at that, but it has been awile since I read Panzer Leader.

And yes, I think the Balkans and the Greek campaign, from a FoW standpoint would be very interesting, especially when played as a theatre. The Italians initial push, the Greek ability to resist, the addition of the Brits and Germans...I think it would appeal to a wider range of early war players.

My bad, I was thinking that you were suggesting the genocidal wars in Yugoslavia.

If you are looking at early war, I'd suggest what if's... what if Czechoslovakia had fought?

As for your point about Manchuria I would suggest that actually very little was learned because the reality is that the theatre was too small and too far away. In terms of Barbarossa the whole campaign would have amounted to little more than an engagement. As for Guderian he always strikes me as rather like Liddel Harte, rather too keen on maintaining his own reputation and not shy of ignoring the facts when they don't fit his ideas.