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Hey Chaps,

So after a 10 year break from warhammer I have started getting back into it - I am currently building a death korps of krieg army and I have a few questions;

If I want to use the death korps codex off FW I assume I am limited to only the vehicles in that list? I love the death korps of krieg but I really wanted to build some basalisks and valkyries!

I have ordered a centuar artilary tractor and a thudd gun for it to tow, do they need to stay attached throughout the game or can the centaur pick up and drop off light artillery (so I can have multiple guns and one transport), and do I need to buy the seperate crew for the artillery even though the centaur comes with a crew? If so thats £67.50 to have something thats not as good as a basalisk!

More questions will likely follow!

Cheers

Guy

As a heads up there are 3rd party manufacturers out there that make DKoK models. If you are interested. They aren't as high quality as FW, but they are really cheap.


http://wargamesfactory.com/webstore/alien-suns/shock-troops-sci-fi-greatcoat-troopers

http://wargamesfactory.com/webstore/alien-suns/shock-troop-heavy-weapons-1

A good where you could buy them. http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/wargames-factory/sci-fi-and-fantasy/cat_585.html

As for your question I have no idea.

If you want units from other codices, look at the allies rules.

Not sure on the rest, sorry.

tabby wrote:Hey Chaps,

So after a 10 year break from warhammer I have started getting back into it - I am currently building a death korps of krieg army and I have a few questions;

If I want to use the death korps codex off FW I assume I am limited to only the vehicles in that list? I love the death korps of krieg but I really wanted to build some basalisks and valkyries!

If using that list, then Basilisks and Valkyries are out. You can have Basilisks IIRC in the IA:7 Krieg Armored Battlegroup, or Earthshaker platforms in a DKoK siege regiment list, but their fluff specifically points out that Krieg does not utilize airborne troops. If you want Valkyries in a DKoK Siege Regiment list you will need to take them as allies representing a different IG regiment.

I have ordered a centuar artilary tractor and a thudd gun for it to tow, do they need to stay attached throughout the game or can the centaur pick up and drop off light artillery (so I can have multiple guns and one transport),

They can pick up and drop off the artillery.

and do I need to buy the seperate crew for the artillery even though the centaur comes with a crew? If so thats £67.50 to have something thats not as good as a basalisk!

The artillery crew needs to stay with the gun, so yeah, you need an artillery crew.

Hope that helps!

Personally I would love a DKoK army myself, but I am not sure on how closely related to Imperial guard they are. I am sure some torunments would not allow a forgeworld army to play, just because its not a GW army, and they dont have a codex. Otherwise you can play them as normal IG. But it would be up to your LGS for those rules. Friendly games, I dont think people would mind.

About your artilary models, I would read up on both of those entries, for the tractor, and the arty emplacement. There has to be an entry about how the vehicle and what it is towing, works together.

Wow that was quick, thanks for the replies everyone!

It would be a shame to have to use the IG codex but now I have started with DKoK it feels like I am going to miss out on some of the best IG models!

@ J99Pwrangler - AFAIK the centaur can tow heavy morters and thudd guns and the trojan support vehicle can tow a earth shaker cannon but it's extremely pricey as you need to buy the tow vehicle then the artillery piece then the crew seperatly.. It looks badass but it would be so much cheaper if I could just have a basalisk instead!

@ Vatathi that doesnt look like a great solution, having them as allies seems to affect leadership and so on.. I would probably be better of just using them as IG :(

@ makarov cheers mate I will have a look at those, always happy to save some cash!

Its about 50/50 for tournaments allowing FW units. The vast bulk of non-tournament settings will allow FW.

FW will become more mainstream with the almost official GW endorsement of FW rules in normal play.



As for the OP,

You are limited to the vehicles listed in your list. It is your codex for all purposes, you will need to take IG allies to get other vehicles. Keep in mind you cannot put units in Allied vehicles, so no Death Korpsmen dropping out of Vendettas

DKoK are one of the best looking armies out there. I hope to start an army myself sometime in the future. The models just scream "Come at me bro!"

tabby wrote:

@ Vatathi that doesnt look like a great solution, having them as allies seems to affect leadership and so on.. I would probably be better of just using them as IG :(

The allies won't be too bad, they count as Battle Brothers, so they're operate with each other very well.

Though that said, from a competitive standpoint, you're better off using them as Codex IG because in all honesty a lot of the DKoK stuff is overpriced and their abilities often actually counter-productive (you usually don't want to waste points upgrading CC abilities on guardsmen that won't make any difference for example).

Grey Templar wrote:Its about 50/50 for tournaments allowing FW units. The vast bulk of non-tournament settings will allow FW.

FW will become more mainstream with the almost official GW endorsement of FW rules in normal play.



As for the OP,

You are limited to the vehicles listed in your list. It is your codex for all purposes, you will need to take IG allies to get other vehicles. Keep in mind you cannot put units in Allied vehicles, so no Death Korpsmen dropping out of Vendettas

DKoK are one of the best looking armies out there. I hope to start an army myself sometime in the future. The models just scream "Come at me bro!"

Ah ok, if I use the IG codex with the FW stuff presumably that will be ok? But does the IG codex include all the DKoK vehicles like my newly purchased centaur and thudd gun?

And I agree mate, the models look really cool and I love the whole WW1 thing they have goin on, I am going to be using a serious amount of barbed wire a thick mud with these guys

tabby wrote:

Ah ok, if I use the IG codex with the FW stuff presumably that will be ok? But does the IG codex include all the DKoK vehicles like my newly purchased centaur and thudd gun?

They can be taken in a normal IG army, just not in as great of numbers. Thudd Guns are limited to 3 per Elites instead of 4 for instance.

Vaktathi wrote:

tabby wrote:

Ah ok, if I use the IG codex with the FW stuff presumably that will be ok? But does the IG codex include all the DKoK vehicles like my newly purchased centaur and thudd gun?

They can be taken in a normal IG army, just not in as great of numbers. Thudd Guns are limited to 3 per Elites instead of 4 for instance.

Ah ok, that's not so bad then, at least I can have a bit more variation then

I agree with the whole CC thing too, specialising in CC but sucking at it is not a great thing to have!

Cheers for your help btw mate

Your best bet may be DKoK allied with regular IG. That'll get you the vendettas and basilisks you're craving. However, regular IG do not use any artillery that isn't on a chimera chassis, thudd guns included. You'll have to take them as a DKoK ally or the other way around.

However, having gun crews instead of basilisks isn't necessarily a bad thing! Gun crews can receive orders, get cover saves easier, and look far more badass than a plain old basilisk. For example, giving bring it down on an artillery crew lets them reroll scatter, which could be awesome when shooting at vehicles and MC. Fire on my target would let them force enemies to reroll cover saves. Yes, you have to be able to see the target, but you could just have one guy peeking out from cover to get LOS on the target.

If your looking for an ally... I would do DKoK with Steel Legion. All of your guys would be "well suited" to handle any enviroment... if you catch my drift.

I want to do a steel legion theme, and might use DKoK models. Since GW only has crazy expensive metal ones, 34 bucks for 10 guys. Might as well go with FW and get some cooler looking models.

You can use whatever you want. It might technically be less fluffy, but it's still possible that Krieg units would at least have some sort of air support.

You might want to consider some sort of WWI conversion.

J99Pwrangler wrote:Personally I would love a DKoK army myself, but I am not sure on how closely related to Imperial guard they are. I am sure some torunments would not allow a forgeworld army to play, just because its not a GW army, and they dont have a codex. Otherwise you can play them as normal IG. But it would be up to your LGS for those rules. Friendly games, I dont think people would mind.

DKK do have a codex.

Also, I agree that if you want valkries then use them as normal imperial guard, but then you will lose out on thudd guns, heavy mortars, hardened fighters (+1 WS), cyclops's etc, etc.

DKK do have a codex

Really? I know they have a blurb in a IA book, but I have not seen any offical GW codex for them. Can you tell me where to find this?

J99Pwrangler wrote:

DKK do have a codex

Really? I know they have a blurb in a IA book, but I have not seen any offical GW codex for them. Can you tell me where to find this?

There's no standalone book specifically called "Codex: Death Korp of Krieg". However, "Imperial Armour: The Siege of Vraks" functionally is the same thing, it just doesn't have the word "Codex" in its title. In all other respects it's got everything a codex has and more on the Death Korps of Krieg. There's an entire back history on the DKoK, how they came to be, their mannerisms and worldview, the manner in which they conduct war, their purpose and usage by the Administratum, very in depth details of their combat engagements on Vraks...

And 2 distinct army lists, one for Siege Regiments and another for Krieg specific Armored Battlegroups.

Yeah, but there is a download on forgeworld websit with the whole thing you need to play DKK up to date with the new IG codex, Here just as proof that it does exist.

It's the list from the Siege of Vraks books, they reposted it after they updated and reprinted IA:5, but alas doesn't seem to be up anymore.

Why would they get rid of it!?!?! At least I managed to get mine in time!!

I have the original Seige Regiment PDF downloaded to my computer, but I'm not sure if it would be legal for me to post it.

No idea why they got rid of it, they cleared their downloads section when they uploaded their 6E updates, but alas, posting it would be a violation of Dakka rules methinks, though you can always ask a Mod.

Cheers for all the replies chaps, it definitely helps!

I am going to go for a DKoK list, and if I add other bits i will use them as allies.. Purely because i love the DKoK vehicles so much, the cyclopses and centaurs are awesome, and my next addition once all this stuff is done is going to be a trojan towing a earth shaker because that just looks amazing!

BTW here is the codex I think you are all talking about http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/k/kreig.pdf (Just read the post above and now I don't know if I can post the link or not! If it gets removed just google 'Death Korps of Krieg codex' and it's the first link)

Also anyone looking to do a DKoK army should know that the troops are a complete nightmare to build! the arms NEVER fit right and its driving me insane!!

Cheers

If you think that's bad, try the Grenadiers and their fiddly cables on top of that.

/slits wrists


Good to see the link still works, though it doesn't appear on their Downloads page anymore for some reason.

Methinks they're bumping it to 6th ed, that's why its gone.

I didn't had much trouble glueing the arms, but the cables made me want to hit things with my sword.