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Hey guys, I am getting bored of my necrons so i want to get out my black templars again. This is my list so far and yes... I do kinda suck at this game .

HQ----
-Emperors Champion 140pts (Gets put into the second squad of crusaders)
Accept any challange, no matter the odds

-Black Templar Chaplain 127pts (gets put into the first squad of crusaders)
Master of Sanctity
Terminator Honours
Bolt Pistol
Frag Grenades

Elite----
-Venerable Dreadnought 165pts
Twin-linked Las Cannon
Missile Launcher
Venerable
Tank Hunter

-Dreadnought 135pts
Twin-Linked Las Cannon
Missile Launcher

Troops----
-Crusader Squad 216pts
9x Initiate
8x CC weapon and Bolt Pistol
1x Power fist and Bolt Pistol
Rhino w/ Smoke and Dozer Blade

-Crusader Squad 216pts
9x Initiate
8x CCW and Bolt Pistol
1x Power Fist and Bolt Pistol
Rhino w/ Smoke and Dozer Blade

This is 999 pts so far.

I would recommend a blob squad for your other troop choice. 10 initates (PF with a Plaz gun /or/ melta) and some Neoyphytes (10, if you have the points).

Drop the Rhino and add Neopyhtes to that squad as well, with 1000 points, you can run them across the board, and save the 50+ points on that rhino, and get 5 more guys.

Also, if you have a few extra points, equip the Chaplain with a Storm Shield in his off hand. Run him in front of a blob squad to take the hits, "look out sir!" any wound he gets on to a Neo and kill them off first. Then, If i can remember correctly, he will have a 2+, 3++. I have had great sucess with a combo like that, maybe take 2 casuilities walking across the board that way. Plus, if you do... who cares, use your Zeal move to get even closer!

First id suggest droping your chaplain for Grimaldus hes worth the points. I think your Ven dread is over points should be 165 if im not mistaken. But drop TH and Ven and make your other dread the same thing.

For your Crusader sqauds i still like the Rhinos i know we cant assault out of em but if you turbo boost you can easliy get 18 in up the field which would take you 3 turns of walking. Also you have rage now take advantage of it take a PF. if you have a 50% chance to hit now w/ 4 attacks 2 hit and a 50% to wound so about 1 wound, w/ a PF you get 3 attacks with again a 50% to hit so 1.5 and a 83% chance to wound. so you figure 1 wound aswell. The different one is AP3 STR4 while the other is AP2 STR8. Lastly grab a PG, your dreads should be able to deal with the 14 Arnour vehicles if there are any.

If you have an Extra 100 points id either grab a pplain chaplian or a Marshal to give you a better LDR.

I was thinking about maybe filling up the second squad with Bolters, a lascannon and and plasma gun to hold an objective close to my deployment zone and provide some support fire from range.

Girmaldus, to me, is not worth the points at 1000. He alone will take up 1/5th of your total points.

Having a bolter squad isnt bad, witht he las plaz combo, and 5 guys. I use to use them all the time in 5th ed. Now I still use them, but keep them at my aegis defense line, same thing, but I have a better weapon, and a nice cover save.

If you have your EC/ other HQ you shouldnt need a Marshal. Yes, he will give you that 10 LD, but if you have one HQ, in a crusader squad, and your EC in another... you really dont need a Marshal. If anything, a bike squad is nice for some speical wepaons, or a techmarine for an extra added punch.

while they did change the Kill em all rule i still dont like mixing squads. you are paying 50 points for Rage basically if you are only gonna use it for one squad its a waste of points. Take AtWDtW and save yourself some points.

Only reason i mention another character is because the EC has to challange a character this way you have someone else and another chaplian will give you rerolls first turn of assault so your 10 attacks you are porbli gonna do 15 wounds compared to 10.

As for Grim i dont have my Dex in front of me but hes what 175 or 225 points? and he comes with 3 cenobytes all which count as a Holy Relic (only can use one a game i know) you are basically paying 35 pts more for him compared to what you could get from a Chapl Rech w/ Ceno. Not to mention the gear he has aswell

I think Grim is 195, either that or the Helbrecht is. I guess I havent played him in this edition yet, I just feel like he is expensive. I would rather take a chaplain and run dual LC on him, for some awesome CC attacks and combos.

You do have a decent mix of units. With the ACC Vow, its a toss up. It is for assaulty units. So its not going to benefit half of your army. But to me, its the only decent Vow. I never really used the other ones much. AtW,DtW is what... 20 points in comparison??? So save 30 points for your army, and get a +4 (i think) against psychic abilities. It is a thought to use that, not a bad one, but every army gets a 5+ roll off on denying a psychic attack anyways.

I am going to make an 1850 assaulty list. For my anti-tank, ill be using assault marines with melta bombs (yes they are a bit more expensive then normal marines, but melta bombs are cheaper, so it evens out). Melta guns in my blob squads, and a command squad with 2 melta guns in a drop pod. Then blob squads with a IC running it.

Can I ask how do you want to play?

I would say drop pods and shooty lists are probably the best at the moment.
Though assault armies for the fluffiness.

The point being it affects what unit to suggest in the medium term.

I definately dont want a drop pod list. Its just a list to have fun with friends, not annoying each other with super competitive lists... So yeah for the fluff.

So im gonna change this and update it to what could possibly somewhat work out?