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I'm about to get into 40k, and the shop I would go to play at generally likes 1500- ish point lists, due to having not that many tables to play on. I have a couple army list ideas, and I want to get some opinions on them before I actually start to put money towards them.
HQ

Arynkyr The Traveller(165)
Dedicated Transport-Command Barge (80)
Illuminator Szeras(100)
Lord with warscythe, res orb, mindshackle scarabs, (90)
(435)


Elites

Triarch Stalkers x2 (300)

Troops

Warriors x 10, (130)
Dedicated Transport- Ghost ark (115)
Immortals x 10, with tesla carbines (170) (Phyrrian Eternals)
Dedicated Transport- Night Scythe (100)
(515)

Heavy Support

Annihilation Barge x3 (270)

Total: (1520)

This whole list revolves around a beefy squad of immortals, with the phyrrian eternals upgrade, szeras' upgrade + his gaze of flame + a lord with res orb, which should make the squad difficult to kill. The warriors in the ark are objective holders, the 3 barges + the night scythe have twin-linked tesla destructor goodness, the triarch stalkers with heat rays melt vehicles or flamer infantry if they run out of targets, and arankyr flys around in his barge, scything troops and hacking vehicles.

The other list I was considering was
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Overlord (90)- warscythe, res orb, scarabs (145)
Overlord (90)- warscythe, res orb, scarabs (145)

Lord - warscythe scarabs (60)
Lord - warscythe scarabs (60)
Cryptek destruction gaze of flame (45)
Cryptek destruction gaze of flame (45)
Cryptek destruction solar pulse (55)
Cryptek destruction solar pulse (55)

(610)

Troops

Warriors x 10, (130)
Warriors x 10, (130)
Immortals x 10, with tesla carbines (170)
Immortals x 10, with gauss cannons (170)
(600)

Heavy Support

Annihilation Barge x2 (180)
Doomsday Ark (175)
(355)

(1565)

The two squads of warriors hold objectives and have the cryptek with solar pulse in them, the 2 squads of immortals have a cryptek with gaze of flame, a lord, and an overlord in each one. The lords should help to ensure the immortals can repel assaults, and the defensive grenades provide a nice bonus against melee and shooting attacks. At the start, the two annihilation barges provide cover for the doomsday ark, and on my first turn, move out of the way to let if fire s9 ap1 large blast goodness. In addition, if the game starts with night fighting, I can sit there with the 2 solar pulses and say "night fighting off, night fighting on" so that my barge can see clearly during it's shooting phase and can't be seen easily on theirs. I'm sure it's going to attract a lot of hate after that, so ideally it refunds it's points in a shot or 2. With as much gauss as I am bringing, I don't think vehicles should be a big problem.

Which one looks better?

Take the points off of the individual upgrades as that is illegal and infringing copyright

If you are ok with investing (heavily) I would personally go for something along the lines of:

Imotekh (225)
2x Lords w/ Warscythe, SW, PS, RO (270)
20 Warrior Blob (260) <Imotekh joins>
2x 10 Immortals (340) <Lord joins each>
2x Doom Scythe (350)
Scarab Cloud (~120)

Total 1565

Wall of Infantry with Flyer Support.

If you would preffer one of your one, the top one.

Thanks for the advice-

I probably won't do the infantry/flyer combo because I want to kind of build off of the battleforce and use as much of that as I can.

Any particular reason that you prefer the top list over the bottom? I made the second list after looking at the the first one and noticing that it was very vehicle heavy, most of which had to get into melta-range to be a threat, and the whole thing would be prone to lascannon sniping and similar effects.


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xStuuy wrote:Take the points off of the individual upgrades as that is illegal and infringing copyright

Oh, and thanks for that, it's fixed. Don't wanna get legal trouble for a stupid forum post

I preffer the top list becaus its similar to the one I run, thats all. I think the best idea is fuse the two.

If you want to base it off the Battleforce, I would run:

Overlord w/ WS, SW, RO, PS(190)
(Court)
2x Lord w/ WS, SW, RO (160)
5x Crypteks (1 veiltek, 2 destroteks, 2 stormteks w/ 1 lightning field) (195) <lord remains here>

DLord w/ SW, RO (170)

20 Warriors (260) <Overlord joins. stands at front to eat wounds>
5 Guass Immortals (85) <Lord joins. stands at the front to eat wounds>

5 RoC Triarch Praetorians (200) <DLord joins. stands at the front to eat wounds>

Doomsday Ark (175)

5 Canoptek Scarabs (75)

Total 1500

Idea is two main squads of troops just advance covering the field with guass fire, the Crypteks teleport around causing havoc with the Lord as a little assault protection, the scarabs munch on tanks, the DLord + TPs assault stuff and the DDA sits there shooting.

I've come up with a list that combines the top 2 a little more efficiently.

HQ

Arynkyr The Traveller(165)
Dedicated Transport-Command Barge (80)
Illuminator Szeras(100)
Lord with warscythe, res orb, mindshackle scarabs, (90)
(435)




Troops

Warriors x 10, (130)
Dedicated Transport- Ghost ark (115)
Warriors x 10, (130)
Dedicated Transport- Ghost ark (115)
Immortals x 10, with gauss blaster (170) (Phyrrian Eternals)
Dedicated Transport- Night Scythe (100)
(760)

Heavy Support

Annihilation Barge x2 (180)
Doomsday Ark (175)

Total: (1550)

Same strat as the top list, with the beefy immortal squad in the scythe, but I dropped the two stalkers in favor of an extra 10 warriors in a ghost ark, for more objective holding/20 gauss-shot drive-bys, and dropped an annihilation barge for the extra long-range firepower of the doomsday ark, seeing as nothing in this list has more than a 24" range

That does work, but i think you are investing too much in your Troops. You need some CC units somewhere. Get some Lychguard or Triarchs. Hell, even some wraiths would do.

I'm a bit hesitant to use wraiths because of the whole "S8 attacks murder them instantly" deal, and for a 1500 point list, spending the 200-400 ish points for praetorians or lychguard seems like I am dumping a lot of points into a very expensive unit of 5-10 models, when immortals with support ought to be at least repel assaults for the same cost. If I were running a bigger list, I would most certainly be adding some lychguard, but at 1500, I don't really feel they would be a good idea.

(edit) after looking at how I would add lychguad to a list- here's what I came up with.

HQ

Nemesor Zahndrekh (185)
Vargard Obyron (160)
Lord /w warscythe, scarabs, res. orb, weave x2 (210)
(555)

Elite

Lychguard w/ dispersion sheild x5- (225)

Troops
Warriors x 20 (260)
Dedicated Transport - ghost ark (115)

Immortals x10 (170)
(545)

Heavy Support
Annihilation Barge x2 (180)

Total:(1505)

So with this, I stick one lord and Obyron in the Lychguard, and use his mantle to make sure that this squad goes where it's needed, whenever it's needed. The last lord and Zahndrekh split their res. orbs among the immortals and warriors, respectively. Ghost ark just chills next to the warriors, so that warriors with a res orb + nearby ghost ark will just keep standing back up. Zahndrehk, of course, can spread his goodies out amongst the army, like giving furious charge to the lychguard before they charge, ect. And, last but not least- 2 annihilation barges, because twin-linked tesla destructors are too awesome to ignore (and I want to use the overlords from the box as my lords, saving me money and getting cooler models out of the deal!)

(edit- the reckoning!) also noticed that in terms of us dollars, this list is about 100 cheaper than any of the other proposed 3.

Which is why I said Wraiths. Personaly, i dislike Wraiths, but they are Statisticly guaranteed to go through anything short of TEQ in two rounds of CC at max.

@ ~300, you can get 6 Wraiths w/ at least 3 Whip Coils & a couple of guns. That is a fair deal for low-point(ish) CC goodness

Dunno if you noticed my edit to the above message- tried out a lychguard list, lemmie know what you think!

No I didn't notice , but I am not sure if the list is strictly legal. Transport cap on the Ghost ark is ten, so I dont think you can buy one for a unit of >10. If I am wrong, as I hope I am, that list is brilliant. If not, well plonk the squad of ten in cover, and give them stealth until you need FC on those Shieldguard.

Alright, if I can't have the ghost ark as a transport that the unit can't use, I can still have it fly between unit-unit, repairing troops where needed, or, perhaps just drop res-orb lord, put zahndrek in the immortal sqaud, and toss in a pair of destruction crypteks (one with each upgrade) for the same price as the omitted lord.

I would discount it straight off, I would however check your 'dex & the BGB

Yeah, just saying as an "if I can't" deal. Also, after a little afterthought, could do 10 in the transport, 10 out, or 5 in, 15 out breakup

That would work. Ten w/ ark + Nemesor. ten w/ lord. Immortals can deal with themselves

IHateNids wrote:No I didn't notice , but I am not sure if the list is strictly legal. Transport cap on the Ghost ark is ten, so I dont think you can buy one for a unit of >10. If I am wrong, as I hope I am, that list is brilliant. If not, well plonk the squad of ten in cover, and give them stealth until you need FC on those Shieldguard.

No you can purchase transoprts for units that can't fit in them. Just because the unit cant fit in the transport does not stop you from buying said transport. it just means you can't embark in said transport until the full unit number meets or is lower than the vehicle transport capacity.

E.g. 10 Tactical marines can purchase a razorback. The full unit cannot enter the transport but you may still purchase it. If you combat squad you could send the special weapon and Sgt firward and keep the heavy weapon shooting behind in cover. Necrons can do the same. Take 15 Warriors or something buy a Ghost Ark and have the Warriors walking and the Ghost ark go zip zip zippity around the field.

Thanks red, never knew you could do that

Can you have more than 1 annihilation barge in a unit?

No, you cant squadron them if thats what you mean.

oh, ok

Oh god, SQUADRONS of Annihilation Barges? 9+ TL tesla Destructors for 810 pts? *Shivers* Good thing we can't do THAT... That would just be disgusting amounts of firepower.