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So, I'm considering running BA as allies.

So, a couple qualifiers:

They'll be running as allies for IG (platoons, vets, flyers, russes) or Marines (shooty, no assault troops, probably Termies and/or bikes).

Also, (because I'm playing mostly for fun), I'll be using them as Lamenters, meaning a FW Lamenters special character for the HQ-- SG-style (MC PW, art armor, inferno pistol, but no jump pack)

For troops, I'm looking at death co and/or assault troops.

Fast will be the Storm Raven, in all likelihood

Probably won't have heavy

So, I guess the big Q's are, what goes with HQ in the SR, and what elite choice would you reccommend?

Thanks!

This is gonna sound crazy...

but I think a cheap librarian HQ, with 2x 5 man assault squads in land raider redeemers, might be decent

Would come in fairly cheap (like 600 points I think), and it covers your main weakness, which is MEQ assault troops. I mean for terminator equivalent troops, you can hit em with plasma. For lighter armored infantry, you have lasguns in mass.

a pair of redeemers... they would nicely roast any 3+ save troops coming at you

Well, I'd consider a DC led by a Reclusiarch in a Stormraven and include a DC Dread. That's an absolutely deadly combo.

Just FYI the Raven is a heavy choice for BA and FA for GK. Doesn't make any difference to your intentions, but might influence your thinking.

Re: Horst, unless I'm forgetting (codex isn't with me), and librarians can be elite, that would be a problem re: already having a HQ. Also, can BA take LRs as dedicated transports, now?

re: wuestenfux, could be cool, though, think that's too many eggs in one proverbial assault basket?

re: azrael13, thanks, forgot about that....



So, a reclusiarch is the favored elite slot?

Given the SC capt.* with a power sword (doesn't need to be a sword, actually...), thoughts on what gear would be best for the squad he's with?

So, I'd prefer to take a combat-squadded assault squad for the second troops choice, partially b/c I'd like some non death co in my army, and partially b/c I'd be nervous about -- is a DC dread that good? Alternatively, could I throw an elites dread in instead?

So, I guess I'm feeling:

Death co (no packs) & SC* in a stormraven; combat squad assault squads (not sure, stick the 2x special weapons in one half, sergeant in the other half?)

* For the record, if it'll change suggestions, the character is basically a captain w/ Glaive Enc, Art arm, inferno P

special rules: 5 attacks (incl 2CCWs); fearless; enemy re-roll Ld vs. failed assault; when wounded: +1 S, +1A, Rage (him and unit get Rage, just he gets the rest)

the biggest thing here is, Rage is redundant with Death Co., but seems fairly circumstantial, anyways, so I'm not sure it would be a problem to run him with them.

Stormravens are heavy for the record, in response to the OP, but it's all good anyways since you aren't taking any other Heavy anyways


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azreal13 wrote:Just FYI the Raven is a heavy choice for BA and FA for GK. Doesn't make any difference to your intentions, but might influence your thinking.

Ahh somebody beat me to it oh well, glad somebody else caught it too

Stormraven is a lot of points all in one flyer but if you are taking a load of IG aeroplanes then why not.

You have asked a very open question. How do you want to play? Why are you doing this?

Allies work best when you have a need, or at least you have something in the ally that you want to use so are looking for a good parent.

In general DC are going to be the go to unit for BA allies. Then again this is very general.

My biggest need are things that can get up field, or react to new threats, quickly.

Basically, I'm playing pretty slow/ranged armies, with the only fast elements being:
-bikes in a Marine army
or
Vendetta/plasma vets in a Guard army

The only reservations I have about taking DC, as a BA player, and especially if you're taking them as allies, is that they're very expensive. If you plan on getting a good unit, set aside a reasonable points budget, otherwise you might have to prepare for (possible, but slightly unlikely) disappointment.

All that being said, DC are awesome with all the things you can do with them.

DC aren't THAT expensive, unless you load em with power weapons. 3x power axes in a squad of 10 is a 245 point squad, and they can kill almost anything in the game in hand to hand.

Still though, if you want and can only get one unit, you get 'em good, and probably with jump packs so you can get them somewhere. Bolters are fine with me, but seriously, a 10 man squad with jump packs is 350 points by itself, and while that's a good enough loadout, I'd prefer to go for 15, but you see where this is going, points-wise.

Sure, you could screw the jump packs, but you would definitely need the stormraven or some sort of fast transport, in which case, 11 men with a chaplain/reclusiarch.

Titan Atlas wrote:Still though, if you want and can only get one unit, you get 'em good, and probably with jump packs so you can get them somewhere. Bolters are fine with me, but seriously, a 10 man squad with jump packs is 350 points by itself, and while that's a good enough loadout, I'd prefer to go for 15, but you see where this is going, points-wise.

Sure, you could screw the jump packs, but you would definitely need the stormraven or some sort of fast transport, in which case, 11 men with a chaplain/reclusiarch.

Astorath + 2x 20 man squads on foot would only be 1000 points... if your doing 2000 point games, thats a lot of points left for guard infantry

or, just take a librarian + chaplain and a single 30 man blob squad, and hope to roll the power that gives your squad a 4+ invulnerable.

A squad of 3+/4++ FNP death company marching up the board would rock.

lmao, or don't stop there and instead go the full way and give everybody dual thunder hammers and jump packs XD

You could do 30 death company with 5x power axes, plus a librarian and a chaplain, for what... 875 points?

That leaves PLENTY of room for guard to work with

Just field an additional 100+ guardsmen.

I am still supporting Resclu+9DC with bolters+PF+PW in a droppod is the OMFG SHOOT PUNCH KILL ally of choice

Yeah, dropping in a unit of DC is a good, cost-efficient delivery system, and it's definitely a good idea to give a couple strong power weapons to make up for the smaller potential amount of attacks, and bolters are a solid choice on them.

Well, I'd consider tactical Termies led by a Librarian w/ terminator armor, stormshield as allies. This unit will provide a decent counter-strike squad. The enemy will think twice if he is willing to charge them.