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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/03 18:54:53
Subject: 1500 pt Eldar List
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Flower Picking Eldar Youth
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So i'm starting an Eldar Army and I am kinda going for a Saim- Hann type army list and this is what i came up with:
HQ-268
Farseer with Singing spear, RoWard, Spirit Stones, Fortune and Doom-148
Autarch with Jetbike and Power Weapon and Fusion Gun-120
Elites-472
6 Fire Dragons with Ecarch and Firepike-116
Wave serpent with Spirit stones , TL shuricannons and Shuricannon-120
6 Fire Dragons with Ecarch and Firepike-116
Wave serpent with Spirit stones , TL shuricannons and Shuricannon-120
Troops-424
5 Pathfinders-120
6 Jetbikes with 2 Shuricannons-152
3 Jetbikes with Shuricannon-76
3 Jetbikes with Shuricannon-76
Heavy Support-345
Fire Prism-115
Fire Prism-115
Fire Prism-115
I already have the HQ's and Elites choices, along with 3 jetbikes. But other than thatI would love any suggestions you guys have.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/03 19:00:05
Subject: 1500 pt Eldar List
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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- Fire Prisms are a whole lot squishier now. However for the theme probably your best bet
- Jetbikes should always have a Warlock with Embolden attached
- Firepike isn't great, because you should be getting in that 12" range for the rest of the squad anyhoo.
- Spirit Stones aren't worth the cost on serpents.
- Runes of Witnessing is rather manditory with the large amount of farseers you'll see out there now-a-days.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/03 23:37:55
Subject: Re:1500 pt Eldar List
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Flower Picking Eldar Youth
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Yeah and also 2 squads of fire daragons could be overkill in a 1500 point game those points could be better spent on either some warlocks or either a squad of striking scorps or banshees depending on who you usually battle scorps for Geqs or banshees for meqs but now power weps are only ap3 make sure you dont send either of them into combat with teqs also try to steer clear of bikes cos they have quite high toughness
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/04 00:57:10
Subject: Re:1500 pt Eldar List
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
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i disagree. Warlocks with jetbikes is terrible as it takes the cost from 76 points to 126 points with almost no increase in damage or survival. Ld8 is marine ld and is fine on its own, esp with the new regroup rules. I would just run 3 squads of 3 with cannons on each.
fire pike isnt for range, it is for the 9" melta making it easier to place the squad. I would run crack shot too because he can snipe characters out of squads and deny cover with that very easily.
i would agree that stones are useless now and witnessing are a very good idea with 2 powers.
2 squad of dragons is normal in 1500. If they dont shoot vehicles, they kill anything else you want.
prisms got much better and are now decent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/04 01:30:45
Subject: 1500 pt Eldar List
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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You can do the blanket list...
12 bikes - 3 shuriken cannons - warlock with embolden or conceal.
This allows you to "hide" stuff behind them. Have a farseer casting fortune and you are talking rerollable 3+/5++ saves.
I have found that vypers work well with this. Arm them with a cannon and scatter laser and you are talking 21 S6 shots. Have a farseer casting guide and you have an average of 15 S6 hits...
If you want to go saim hann, I would lose the waveserpents and
fire prisms for 2 squadrons of vypers. The new glance rules really make eldar vehicles a points sink. 10 lootas with average rolls will down a vehicle every turn. Maybe not bad for prisms that are going to stay at range but not healthy for serpents that want to get close and definitely not healthy for fire dragons.
So:
Farseer 148
12 bike unit - 349
6 bike unit with embolden farseer with spear 210
6 bike unit 210
3 vypers 210
3 vypers 210
1337
Fill in your points with 3 bike units that can come in from reserve to do late game grabbs of objectives.
It makes you "weak" on downing AC 12/13 stuff without a charge and assault with your spears but you can outmanuever nearly everything and plant enough S6 shots to obliterate any AV 10 or 11 side armor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/04 01:32:23
Subject: 1500 pt Eldar List
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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@zeph
... A warlock with embolden and spear takes the squad to 129pt, makes the unit almost unbreakable via leadership tests, give the unit a 12" lascannon vs vehicles, and an invul save.
Once again if you are getting the dragons out and the 3" of range matters, you have failed the placement of them in the firat place.
Prisms are MUCH weaker now. With holofields they were nearly unkillable in 5th. They also can not longer contest, basically auto die if assault, and not even mentioning glances to dead from hull point. 5+ jink hardly makes up for any of this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/04 04:38:02
Subject: Re:1500 pt Eldar List
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Flower Picking Eldar Youth
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I don't really want to drop the serpents, but i could drop the fire prisms for vypers... And also are shining spears any good this edition? Because i really like the models.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/04 11:44:45
Subject: 1500 pt Eldar List
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Screaming Shining Spear
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Shining Spears are better, but they still don't work well in any role. Far too expensive for what you get.
I very much agree with BlueDagger. Prisms were my go-to heavy support unit in any TAC lis in 5th, now it's War walkers all the way. They will probably kill something in 2 turns it takes for them to be glanced to death, but the problem is that they are three(or 2) large vehicles that can't hide from anything with 48" guns(Long Fangs, Loota boyz, Rifleman Dreads, Falcons, etc), so they're basically the epitome of glass cannons. They might do some damage in turn 1 and 2, but if they don't, you threw all those points down the drain. That's the problem with Prisms. They're unreliable at best and Eldar can't afford unreliable units.
But in your list, I'd still take 2 of them, or I'd take a BL Falcon and a squad of War walkers for the points.
As for the rest of the list, first of I'd downgrade Pathfinders to Rangers. Test them out a few times, you'll see that the difference is so small that it almost never matters(you only get to pick out a model if you roll a 6 anyway, so Pathfinders rolling 5's for AP1 shot mostly won't mean much and the improved cover save only matter if they get fired upon by small arms fire, in which case you can always go to ground for the same effect). They're mostly there to hold objectives anyway.
Again, like BlueDagger said, FD Exarchs are just not worth the point increase. It's always better to take another FD instead if you find you need one. But in my experience, 5 FD have always killed whatever vehicle they shot at.
Also, warlocks on jetbike squads are brilliant. These little squads of 4 bikes are so durable and so annoying to your opponent that I love them to bits. 129 points for such a versatile squad is a steal.
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