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**BaronIveagh**

It becomes obvious that stress is building in the United States, who are (un)surprisingly among the least happy people in the world right now, according to some poles. The nation is also increasingly polarized. Historically, this is very similar to the lead up to the American Civil War.

Given that politicians seem intent on heightening rather then diffusing the situation, what are your thoughts on the result?

**Frazzled**

Oh wait deep down below the nonsense you had some sort of question.
I'm too old a bunny to get excited about the current political state, like its new or something.
Its a cycle. It will get better. then it will get worse again. Then ROdney will figure out the launch codes and fire the ICB's in a woefully misguided attempt to save us all from cat domination.

Then the roaches will rule for ten thousand years. All hail our new roach overlords!

**xole**

This thread is going to go beautiful, beautiful places.

**BaronIveagh**

Frazzled wrote:

Sorry, Frazz, but right now I'm six shades of pissed off at the US, and unfortunately didn't have my camera phone on me to record today's fething disgrace to basic human decency and post it on the internet. It's an irrational, knee jerk reaction, but for the love of god, I want to make these donkey-caves bleed from the men I saw beating an old woman in the street today on up to the men behind the desks in Washington.

**streamdragon**

BaronIveagh wrote: according to some poles.

Who cares what some cylindrical object has to say?

Alt serious answer: every country has its issues. America is a great place to be but if you're not happy here I wish you all the best in whatever place you find that does.

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Addendum: you saw dudes beating an old woman and your lament is the lack of using your phone to record it and post it on the internet? Wtf?

**AustonT**

BaronIveagh wrote:Let me say this up front: I do not like the United States. Sadly, I know many of you will retort 'move' And, my response is 'actually I'm not in it right now' (yes, I know the stupid little flag shows Buffalo NY, which is where the VPN connects to verizon)

Granted, my opinion is rather tainted by the US treatment of me, my family, my ancestors going back quite a ways on my father's side (in much the same way that I dislike England for the same on my mother's side). You're happy to have us kill for you, but the rest of the time: "Um, just pretend to all be dead, or something? Unless you're doing that 'Noble Savage' thing on television for us." and get pissy if we go kill for other people for money. (ironically, again, this is true of both sides, just subbing in England for the US and 'Nobel Savage' for 'drunken lout' on mom's side)

Or sell you cigarettes. Or 'force you' to gamble your life savings away.

That said:

all of this is:

xole wrote:This thread is going to go beautiful, beautiful places.

The actual thread topic is:

BaronIveagh wrote:It becomes obvious that stress is building in the United States, who are (un)surprisingly among the least happy people in the world right now, according to some poles. The nation is also increasingly polarized. Historically, this is very similar to the lead up to the American Civil War.

Given that politicians seem intent on heightening rather then diffusing the situation, what are your thoughts on the result?

If you separate the two there is a discussion to be had.

**BaronIveagh**

AustonT wrote:
If you separate the two there is a discussion to be had.

Consider them separated.

**Frazzled**

streamdragon wrote:
BaronIveagh wrote: according to some poles.

Who cares what some cylindrical object has to say?

Alt serious answer: every country has its issues. America is a great place to be but if you're not happy here I wish you all the best in whatever place you find that does.

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Addendum: you saw dudes beating an old woman and your lament is the lack of using your phone to record it and post it on the internet? Wtf?

Well lets not gloss over this. When inanimate objects start speaking English, thats a cause for concern!

And why didn't you help the lady? You weren't one of the guys were you and were just not having a camera to record the lament? You know if you had been carrying a brace of RPWs (rocket propelled wieners) you could have easily dealt with the situation.

**BaronIveagh**

streamdragon wrote:
Addendum: you saw dudes beating an old woman and your lament is the lack of using your phone to record it and post it on the internet? Wtf?

Because that's pretty much the only way anything would get done about it. If I'd interfered, they'd have just shot me, and who'd have cared. Just another dead sonova bitch in US occupied territory.

**Ahtman**

If you are going to focus and irrational emotion like rage at a thing, and blame America for your bitterness, you might as well be more specific about what ancestors were wronged that left you as we see/read you today: a bitter husk of a human being, hollowed empty by events that happened to others. Wronging groups in the past was a hobby of the country's, and most others to be fair, so you might need to be more specific.

Edit: NM, you added more info later that clarified it somewhat.

It has a very 'everyone else in the world is an donkey-cave except me and if everyone would just live the way I think they should everything would be better', which of course ignores that everyone else is thinking the same of you. We're all that donkey-cave that just doesn't understand to someone else.

**Frazzled**

Ahtman wrote:It has a very 'everyone else in the world is an donkey-cave except me and if everyone would just live the way I think they should everything would be better'

I've never seen Frazzled's philosophy on life refined so concisely.

**Ahtman**

Frazzled wrote:
Ahtman wrote:It has a very 'everyone else in the world is an donkey-cave except me and if everyone would just live the way I think they should everything would be better'

I've never seen Frazzled's philosophy on life refined so concisely.

And look how cantankerous it has made you!

**streamdragon**

BaronIveagh wrote:
streamdragon wrote:
Addendum: you saw dudes beating an old woman and your lament is the lack of using your phone to record it and post it on the internet? Wtf?

Because that's pretty much the only way anything would get done about it. If I'd interfered, they'd have just shot me, and who'd have cared. Just another dead sonova bitch in US occupied territory.

I guess it is a big naive of me, as I have no idea where this happened, but 911 wasn't an option? At least get some medical attention for the beating victim?

**BaronIveagh**

Ahtman wrote:'everyone else in the world is an donkey-cave except me and if everyone would just live the way I think they should everything would be better'

No, I've met plenty of decent folks in my life. The problem I have is the people that deserve to get theirs never seem to, and the US likes to hide it's hypocrisy and crimes against humanity behind a mask of righteousness.

**KamikazeCanuck**

Anyways, back on the topic. I think it's true that America hasn't been this divided since the civil war I don't think it would ever turn into a shooting war. (the guys on the right have all the guns anyway). They'll just have a dysfunctional goverment that can't do anything.

**d-usa**

This thread is going places.

**BaronIveagh**

streamdragon wrote:
I guess it is a big naive of me, as I have no idea where this happened, but 911 wasn't an option? At least get some medical attention for the beating victim?

They were the cops.

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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Anyways, back on the topic. I think it's true that America hasn't been this divided since the civil war I don't think it would ever turn into a shooting war. (the guys on the right have all the guns anyway). They'll just have a dysfunctional goverment that can't do anything.

The problem with that is the more dysfunctional the government, the more likely it is to breed rebellion. The US Congress at the turn of the Civil War was dysfunctional to the point they were actually beating one another.

**d-usa**

Why not actually make a post about what happened, instead of some convoluted rage-poll?

Maybe a "I saw cops from x PD beat up a woman" instead of "OMG the US will fragment because we all hate each other".

That's just me though...

**Ahtman**

BaronIveagh wrote: people that deserve to get theirs never seem to

When you have the hubris to determine who is supposed to 'get theirs', and so violently, you end up doing things like, oh I don't know, wiping out whole groups of indigenous people.

"Do not be too eager to deal out death and judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf

BaronIveagh wrote:and the US likes to hide it's hypocrisy and crimes against humanity behind a mask of righteousness.

Don't look now, but...

**AustonT**

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Anyways, back on the topic. I think it's true that America hasn't been this divided since the civil war I don't think it would ever turn into a shooting war. (the guys on the right have all the guns anyway). They'll just have a dysfunctional goverment that can't do anything.

I have to disagree; I happen to think a violent civil war is looming in America. When it happens it will start left vs right and end up being fought by geographic strongholds that transcend politics.

**BaronIveagh**

d-usa wrote:Why not actually make a post about what happened, instead of some convoluted rage-poll?

Maybe a "I saw cops from x PD beat up a woman" instead of "OMG the US will fragment because we all hate each other".

That's just me though...

If I tried to make a thread about every last thing, I'd get a forum ban for spam. Just in the Allegany Territory alone in the last five years there has been enough anti-native violence that the national guard was called out at one point.

Though I must admit that the one where two DEA agents got banished, of all things, was pretty funny.

**Frazzled**

Where is Allegany Territory?

**Huffy**

AustonT wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Anyways, back on the topic. I think it's true that America hasn't been this divided since the civil war I don't think it would ever turn into a shooting war. (the guys on the right have all the guns anyway). They'll just have a dysfunctional goverment that can't do anything.
I have to disagree; I happen to think a violent civil war is looming in America. When it happens it will start left vs right and end up being fought by geographic strongholds that transcend politics.

Not sure if I agree with this, any civil infighting/war would quickly be crushed by federal troops. There simply isn't enough hardware to raise a force capable of defeating the US military. Stalemate it? possibly, terrain dependant, make it slow and bloody? probably
Supposing civil war did break out, I think it wouldn't really fall into left v right, as most americans really dont identify with one camp. The majority tend to be moderate. On geographic location, most Americans identify as american, then followed by state/etc

**BaronIveagh**

Ahtman wrote:When you have the hubris to determine who is supposed to 'get theirs', and so violently, you end up doing things like, oh I don't know, wiping out whole groups of indigenous people.

"Deny human rights, and however little you may wish to do so, you will find yourself abjectly kneeling at the feet of that old-world god, Force." Auberon Herbert

**Ahtman**

BaronIveagh wrote:
Ahtman wrote:When you have the hubris to determine who is supposed to 'get theirs', and so violently, you end up doing things like, oh I don't know, wiping out whole groups of indigenous people.

"Deny human rights, and however little you may wish to do so, you will find yourself abjectly kneeling at the feet of that old-world god, Force." Auberon Herbert

You have sort of a 'hit a kid to teach them to not hit' kind of attitude going on here. You complain that everyone is stupid and vicious, yet you present yourself as just as bad, and if given hald a chance would do the same thing to people you don't like: you are becoming what you disdain.

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Ghandi

**xole**

Can we get some more information on this alleged attack?

**BaronIveagh**

Frazzled wrote:Where is Allegany Territory?

New York state, and I take the thing about five years back, I just realized it's been longer then that. The Brad Horton shooting was six years ago, now. I feel old.

**Frazzled**

BaronIveagh wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Where is Allegany Territory?

New York state, and I take the thing about five years back, I just realized it's been longer then that. The Brad Horton shooting was six years ago, now. I feel old.

Well there's your problem right there...New York. Fogettaboutit!

**BaronIveagh**

Ahtman wrote:
You have sort of a 'hit a kid to teach them to not hit' kind of attitude going on here.

Well, damned if that isn't what my parents did. Let me put it this way, every time we've tried things the 'nice way' we've gotten the shaft. The worst the US will let us do is file charges with New York and deport the subject. The one occasion we had a New York state trooper cold for shooting an unarmed man in the back five times, all the evidence and all police recordings for the entire night magically disappeared.

Frazzled wrote:
Well there's your problem right there...New York. Fogettaboutit!

Eh. Again, I'll admit that if Albany burned to the ground with ever politician in it, I wouldn't shed a tear.

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xole wrote:Can we get some more information on this alleged attack?

Without proof the only thing that would get me is a visit in the night. I saw the uniforms and kept walking.

**Frazzled**

So it sounds like you have an issue with the State of NY and jurisidictional and sovereignty issues.

We had a problem with NY about jurisdictional issues awhile back...