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hi i'm a huge deathwing player and after pulling my hair out since 6th ed 40k with the whole 50% of your army in reserves thing i think you can infact deep strike a whole deathwing army.

1. deep strike rule page 36: "In order for a unit to be able to Deep Strike, all models in the unit must have the Deep Strike special rule and the unit must start the game in reserve. When placing the unit in reserve, you must tell your opponent that it will be arriving by Deep Strike (sometimes called Deep Strike reserve)."

2. reserves rule page 124:"When deploying their armies, players can choose not to deploy up to half oft heir units (rounding up) keeping them as Reserves to arrive later.Units that must start the game in reserve are ignored for the purposes of working out how many other units may do so."

so as i read it (where i've under lined) it says a unit that deep strikes must start the game in reserve, and units that must start in reserve do not count towards the 50% rule, but then the propblem of deathwing assault starts as it was wrote for 4th ed rules which says"when you deploy a DW unit you may choose to put it on the table. or in reserve, as described in the deep strike scenario special rules (even in missions that do not use deep strike rules)"

can i please have some input on this please.
thanks alot bigt
p.s sorry for the bad spelling/gramer

If you are using the deep strike rules then the unit must start the game in reserve.

This does not mean they must start the game in reserve, as they may be deployed normally.

DeathReaper wrote:If you are using the deep strike rules then the unit must start the game in reserve.

This does not mean they must start the game in reserve, as they may be deployed normally.

This is true. Unit's like Lictors must always start in reserve and, as such, don'y count towards the 50% rule.

However, a normal Genestealer brood may start in reserve or on the table. So, if you start the unit in reserve then it counts towards the 50%.

Ok i get that but i am putting my unit into deep strike which must start in reserves, i am not choosing to put them into reserve i'm putting them into deep strike which is a whole different rule,it dose not say you can only put 50%of your army into deep strike.

bigt wrote:Ok i get that but i am putting my unit into deep strike which must start in reserves, i am not choosing to put them into reserve

Putting them into deep strike is putting them into reserve.

You choose to put them into Deep Strike , so it is not mandatory that they Deep Strike and start in reserve.

Did you miss part of what you typed?

"(sometimes called Deep Strike reserve)."

bigt wrote:Ok i get that but i am putting my unit into deep strike which must start in reserves, i am not choosing to put them into reserve i'm putting them into deep strike which is a whole different rule,it dose not say you can only put 50%of your army into deep strike.

You don't 'put the unit into deep strike'... You put them into reserve, and when you do so you declare that they are arriving by deep strike.

Putting them in reserve is a choice you are making. The unit does not have to remain in reserve.

You choose to reserve them a deployment choice, deep strike is a method to enter the board, these are two very different things.

Deepstriking is an outcome of being in reserve.

Hi

My input would be that the unit can be placed on the table, however to use the DEEP STRIKE "special rule" Would mean the unit would have to start in reserve and would then ignore the 50% limit.

To conclude in order to use his special rule the unit MUST be placed in reserve?

In order to use Deep Strike you must be in reserve (for obvious reasons you cannot deep strike once already on the table, barring certain situations). The ignored units are only for units that have absolutely no choice at all , must start in reserves. For example Drop Pods cannot start on the table, therefore, they do not count. A unit of Assault Marines (with Jump Packs) CAN start on the table and therefore are not ignored.

Wildcat Carl wrote:My input would be that the unit can be placed on the table, however to use the DEEP STRIKE "special rule" Would mean the unit would have to start in reserve and would then ignore the 50% limit.

The decision to deep strike is made when the unit is put in reserve, not before. So putting them in reserve is a choice you make, not a requirement for the unit. You can choose to start them on the table... therefore they do not have to start in reserve.

However note that Terminator armour has (universally?) an allowance that it may ALWAYS deepstrike

This means that, while they count towards the 50% rule, they can always start in reserves and deepstrike.