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Ok this is a multipart question so bear with me.

1. Is a Bastion a "Multipart Building"

2. Can both parts of a Combat squad START deployed in a Bastion


Context: C:SM Player deploys a Bastion in his deployment zone and then Deploys Combat squad 1A on the bottom level of a Bastion Combat Squad 1B on the second (with the HEavy Bolters) and Dev Squad C on the Roof.

Something did not FEEL RIGHT about this but we kept playing anyhow.

Assuming you're using the default Bastion on page 116:

1. Yes. 1 part is the building itself, which classifies as a Medium Building for a transport capacity of 20 models. The other part the battlements on the roof. A different unit can occupy each part.

2. Yes, as long as both combat squads are split from the same unit, they can occupy the same transport.

Context: Note that there are no 'levels' on a bastion, as it's considered 1 Medium Building. Each combat squad could use the heavy bolters and/or the fire points on any level.

Of course if you and your opponent agree, you can divide (custom) bastions into more parts. For example, each level could count as a Small Sized building with a capacity of 10 models. Then you could even occupy each level with a different unit that wasn't a combat squad of the same unit.

Yes it was the "Bastion Kit". He was claiming that since the MODEL came in two parts it was a two part building and thus could put 1 "unit" on the floor level, one "unit" ont he sencond level AND a unit on the roof (battelments). As I was looking at it I was thinking could I then move a ten man squad to the Floor a ten man squad to the "second floor" and then get MY guys on the roof? This seemed incorrect but like I said I just went with it.

The model actually comes in about 30-50 parts. I guess that means 30-50 combat squads can fit inside.

Tell him to check the rules from the main rulebook, which make this perfectly clear.

30-50 parts! Good one So what we are getting at is the BASTION is NOT a multipart building (minus the battelments) and only ONE unit (Or both halves of a combat squad) can occupy it at a time (again minus the roof)??

If you're using the default Bastion Fortification rules of page 116, then yes, that's correct.

If your opponent is not yet convinced, point him towards the Fortress of Redemption's entry, which specifies it is a multi-part building, while the Bastion does not.

That could be discussed/Argued for in a Planetstrike game; but the Fortification FOC Slot Bastion is very specific in what, exactly, it is.

See you could have an Imperial Strong point(Model kit for sale from GW consisting of 2 Bastion Kits and 3 Aegis Defense lines kits) and build t he Bastions as 1 Bunker with just Base and battlments and the Second as a 2-level Bastion(Base, 2 floors with 8 total heavy Bolters, and Battlements).

Those 2 buildings can be used in a Planetstrike game exactly as they are(the rules are very flexible there). In a Normal 6e game, though, they would be Bastions(until new datasheets come out) and must follow the rules on their datasheet.

Thats what I was thinking. The Bastion kit came out for Planet Strike (and I explained that to him) and the planet strike rules are different than the "CORE BRB" rules. The guy is the "head table top guy" at a FLGS but he has a very "loose interpretation" of rules. I dont think I am going to be going back anytime soon :(

Just come to a concession with him next time: If he wants to disregard the datasheet; then the building is now a 3-part building(Battlements inclusive) and thus your units can enter the bunker-bit and then assault his units in the Tower part, or his unit must be in the Bunker and cannot man the Bolters.

Basically he gets the guns or leaves himself open to a free charge(there is no overwatch allowed, nor Charge range rolled; the charge is automatic and everybody fights).

Kommissar Kel wrote: Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the enitre sentance quote]

Nice!

Redemption wrote:Assuming you're using the default Bastion on page 116:
Context: Note that there are no 'levels' on a bastion, as it's considered 1 Medium Building. Each combat squad could use the heavy bolters and/or the fire points on any level.

I just wanted to be clear that the combat squads cant be split between the battlement and the medium building to do this. The medium building and the Battlements are treated as a multipart building (seperate buiildings for the purpose of assaulting and shooting) The heavy bolters can only be fired by the unit that occupies that building. See page 92, last sentence of 1st paragraph under multipart buildings.

therefore, if you mount them in the windows of the medium building then only the unit in the medium building can fire them.

Aye, which is what I said in point 1 of the post you quoted.

With the 'Context:' bit I only meant the non-battlements part.