Polish president accuses Obama of betraying Poland

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**Frazzled**

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/9456610/Polish-president-accuses-Obama-of-betraying-Poland.html

Polish president accuses Obama of betraying Poland
The Polish president has accused Barack Obama of betraying Poland by cancelling a promised missile defence system.

Reflecting Warsaw's long-standing anger over the 2009 cancellation of a controversial Bush-era anti-ballistic missile system President Bronislaw Komorowski said Poland should build its own missile shield to ensure national defence.

"Our mistake was that by accepting the American offer of a shield we failed to take into account the political risk associated with a change of president," said Mr Komorowski in a magazine interview. "We paid a high political price. We do not want to make the same mistake again. We must have a missile system as an element of our defences."

Last week, Mitt Romney used a visit to Warsaw to condemn Russia as a "country where the desire to be free is met with brutal oppression" in a bid to establish hawkish credentials ahead of the US elections.

The Republican candidate has accused President Obama of "abandoning Poland" by cancelling the missile defence plan in order to aid his much-criticised attempt to "reset" relations with Moscow.

Mr Obama's decision to scrap George W Bush's original missile shield dismayed the Polish government, especially as many Poles saw it as an attempt to appease Russia, Poland's historical and Cold War foe.

Later US pledges to place a Patriot missile battery in Poland, and elements of the SM-3 interceptors which will replace the Bush system, failed to eradicate the perception in Warsaw that Polish interests had been sacrificed for the benefit of Washington-Moscow relations.

By wishing to avoid another "mistake", Mr Komorowski has questioned the long-term viability of the US made SM-3 system, which is intended to secure Nato's eastern flank from missile attacks launched from the Middle East.

Stanislaw Koziej, head of Poland's National Security Council and a former defence minister, said any Polish missile system would be integrated into Nato systems. He added that while the American system will defend Poland it was also created, he claimed, to suit the needs of the US, and therefore a national system was needed.

**Jihadin**

I am not suprised

**Melissia**

So they scrapped an outdated and ultimately unnecessary system and then introduced plans to update it later, and that's betrayal?

**Jihadin**

Not outdated and Iran might be on its way to making a missile carrying nuke.

**Frazzled**

PLus the Soviets, er Russians have talked about a preemptive strike against Poland, or just invading it, whenever they get bored.

**Melissia**

Poland is about as likely to get nuked with an ICBM as I am to become a tea party member when not drunk.

**Frazzled**

Melissia wrote:Poland is about as likely to get nuked with an ICBM as I am to become a tea party member when not drunk.

Much more likely to be invaded. Their asses have been left hanging in the breeze after allying with us in Afghanistan, and agreeing to be a nuclear shield against Iran.

If I were Poland I'd pull the troops out and cozy up to Russia. At least they are constant.

**Melissia**

Frazzled wrote:
Melissia wrote:Poland is about as likely to get nuked with an ICBM as I am to become a tea party member when not drunk.

Much more likely to be invaded.

Anything greater than zero is "much more likely" than zero. Even if it's a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of one percent, like your suggestion that Poland will be invaded any time in the foreseeable future.

**ShumaGorath**

Jihadin wrote:Not outdated and Iran might be on its way to making a missile carrying nuke.

Which is why we sell Israel anti missile systems all day long. The European shield was to buffer Russia and they didn't like that one bit.

**Frazzled**

Melissia wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Melissia wrote:Poland is about as likely to get nuked with an ICBM as I am to become a tea party member when not drunk.

Much more likely to be invaded.
Anything greater than zero is "much more likely" than zero. Even if it's a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of one percent, like your suggestion that Poland will be invaded any time in the foreseeable future.

Poland has been invaded 4 times in the last 100 years. Their neighbor, a US ally, was just invaded. They have good reason to fear.

**Melissia**

Also, if Iran tried to nuke someone, it wouldn't be Poland.

**Jihadin**

Poland is part of NATO

**ShumaGorath**

Frazzled wrote:
Melissia wrote:Poland is about as likely to get nuked with an ICBM as I am to become a tea party member when not drunk.

Much more likely to be invaded. Their asses have been left hanging in the breeze after allying with us in Afghanistan, and agreeing to be a nuclear shield against Iran.

If I were Poland I'd pull the troops out and cozy up to Russia. At least they are constant.

China isn't close enough for Poland to be in danger of being invaded. Russia certainly doesn't want to invade it, they got their nose bloodied and looked like idiots when they attacked microscopic Georgia.

If I were Poland I'd pull the troops out and cozy up to Russia. At least they are constant.

Constantly abrasive and mercurial.

**Frazzled**

ShumaGorath wrote:
Jihadin wrote:Not outdated and Iran might be on its way to making a missile carrying nuke.

Which is why we sell Israel anti missile systems all day long. The European shield was to buffer Russia and they didn't like that one bit.

Buffer Europe and to a lesser extent the US from Iran.

Regardless Poland has been left out to dry.A lesson to our allies.

**Jihadin**

China? How did China get into this?

**ShumaGorath**

Frazzled wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:
Jihadin wrote:Not outdated and Iran might be on its way to making a missile carrying nuke.

Which is why we sell Israel anti missile systems all day long. The European shield was to buffer Russia and they didn't like that one bit.

Buffer Europe and to a lesser extent the US from Iran.

No, that's the idiotic party lie that everyone on the planet saw through immediately. You don't protect the entire planet from a state that might have a nuclear weapon someday by ringing a former world superpower with thousands of them with anti ballistic missile defense weapons. That you pretend to believe that lie is flooring.

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Jihadin wrote:China? How did China get into this?

They're about the only territoriality expansive nation with force projection capable of doing more than attacking small cities left on earth.

**Jihadin**

Good copy SHuma.

But their not worry about Poland. Its South CHina Sea they're after. Maybe a few more asian country to add in.

**Frazzled**

ShumaGorath wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:
Jihadin wrote:Not outdated and Iran might be on its way to making a missile carrying nuke.

Which is why we sell Israel anti missile systems all day long. The European shield was to buffer Russia and they didn't like that one bit.

Buffer Europe and to a lesser extent the US from Iran.

No, that's the idiotic party lie that everyone on the planet saw through immediately. You don't protect the entire planet from a state that might have a nuclear weapon someday by ringing a former world superpower with thousands of them with anti ballistic missile defense weapons. That you pretend to believe that lie is flooring.

To do what you suggest we would have had to ring Russia. Putting it in one country is not "ringing" Russia.

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Jihadin wrote:Poland is part of NATO

Which only matters if the US cares.

**Jihadin**

Putin in charge again right?

**Frazzled**

Jihadin wrote:Good copy SHuma.

But their not worry about Poland. Its South CHina Sea they're after. Maybe a few more asian country to add in.

They've also blabbled about part of Siberia.

**ShumaGorath**

Jihadin wrote:Putin in charge again right?

He never wasn't.

**Frazzled**

Agreed. He's been in charge since he started.

**Jihadin**

Putin former KGB. He's in charge of everything. He makes anyone talk and finds relics of a bygone era in the process. Probaly found the Holy Grail to and not telling anyone.

**Huffy**

Would the US tolerate China building a missile defense shield in Mexico or Canada??
No....neither should Russia tolerate us building one in Poland

**Frazzled**

Huffy wrote:Would the US tolerate China building a missile defense shield in Mexico or Canada??
No....neither should Russia tolerate us building one in Poland

China is forming strategic relationships with Venezuela.

When a major, and new ally of your country publicly says you betrayed them, thats not good.

**Jihadin**

Would the US tolerate China building a missile defense shield in Mexico or Canada??
No....neither should Russia tolerate us building one in Poland

That be a helluva a deal for them to purchase a chinese missile defense system. As long as its a MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM

**Huffy**

Jihadin wrote:
Would the US tolerate China building a missile defense shield in Mexico or Canada??
No....neither should Russia tolerate us building one in Poland

That be a helluva a deal for them to purchase a chinese missile defense system. As long as its a MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM

nope shield....Canada's still working on the whole gunpoweder thing.

**Lynata**

Frazzled wrote:When a major, and new ally of your country publicly says you betrayed them, thats not good.

True. On the other hand, some promises should've better never been made.
I'm not sure a new Cold War with Russia is the best solution; at the very least it would further escalate already negative relations with Moscow and further drive the US and its grossly overblown military budget into financial ruin. The only thing that keeps me from being sure at all is a certain suspicion that the current Russian government isn't interested in a good relationship with the West anyways. Either way, as a superpower they're pretty much done for - China is where's at nowadays.

**LordofHats**

Jihadin wrote:Not outdated and Iran might be on its way to making a missile carrying nuke.

Why would Iran shoot a nuke at Poland? Or anywhere in Europe for that matter. If they're gonna nuke anybody it'll be Israel.

**Frazzled**

LordofHats wrote:
Jihadin wrote:Not outdated and Iran might be on its way to making a missile carrying nuke.

Why would Iran shoot a nuke at Poland? Or anywhere in Europe for that matter. If they're gonna nuke anybody it'll be Israel.

Why do you think they wouldn't threaten Europe?