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2012/08/07 22:29:16
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Furious Fire Dragon
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Can Space wolves use combat squads? I just can't seem to find it in the rulebook I may have just missed it though...
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2012/08/07 22:33:00
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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No, they cannot.
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2012/08/07 22:35:08
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Furious Fire Dragon
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Wow that sucks, thanks.
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2012/08/07 23:20:04
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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They don't need to, since they can take 5 man squads with special weapons anyway.
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2012/08/07 23:47:08
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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They may not 'need to' but it would be so cool if they did
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Tyranids will consume the universe!!! There is no chance for survival!!
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2012/08/08 00:00:37
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Wolfnid420 wrote:They may not 'need to' but it would be so cool if they did
Why, the only real difference between two units of five and one unit of ten split into two squads of five is that the two squads of five take up two force org troop slots.
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2012/08/08 00:08:34
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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DeathReaper wrote:Wolfnid420 wrote:They may not 'need to' but it would be so cool if they did
Why, the only real difference between two units of five and one unit of ten split into two squads of five is that the two squads of five take up two force org troop slots.
Its also nice to be able to go from 6 to 12 scoring units if necessary. At some point, limited troop choice slots does come into play.
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2012/08/08 00:08:41
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Lieutenant General
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That and now you can have the two combat squads in a single transport.
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2012/08/08 00:21:30
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Wow, SW players complaining that vanilla marines can do something they can't!?! What's next, GK complaining about their lack of stormshield terminators?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Tell you what SWs, I'll trade you your troops for mine and your scouts for mine.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/08/08 00:24:03
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2012/08/08 00:28:35
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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TBH, wolf scouts have some negatives. No access to stealth is a bit of a pain. Just saying.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/08/08 00:28:46
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2012/08/08 00:39:39
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Saga of the hunter. You can still get it.
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2012/08/08 00:53:12
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Lobukia wrote:Saga of the hunter. You can still get it.
I am not putting a hq choice in my army just to give it to one squad, to hell with that. Plus that is like 80 points(some wargear costs in there too) to put it on a squad of 5 dudes. I think your scouts get it for 15? Not so great. Especially since a saga is limited to 1 per army which would be better used on a big squad of GH with attached WG in TDA.
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2012/08/08 01:39:34
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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[MOD]
Making Stuff
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liturgies of blood wrote:Lobukia wrote:Saga of the hunter. You can still get it.
I am not putting a hq choice in my army just to give it to one squad, to hell with that. Plus that is like 80 points(some wargear costs in there too) to put it on a squad of 5 dudes. I think your scouts get it for 15? Not so great. Especially since a saga is limited to 1 per army which would be better used on a big squad of GH with attached WG in TDA.
'I don't want to' is not quite the same as 'can't'... 
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2012/08/08 01:42:06
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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insaniak wrote:liturgies of blood wrote:Lobukia wrote:Saga of the hunter. You can still get it.
I am not putting a hq choice in my army just to give it to one squad, to hell with that. Plus that is like 80 points(some wargear costs in there too) to put it on a squad of 5 dudes. I think your scouts get it for 15? Not so great. Especially since a saga is limited to 1 per army which would be better used on a big squad of GH with attached WG in TDA.
'I don't want to' is not quite the same as 'can't'...
While you are technically right, the YMDC kind of right (  ) I still can't have stealth on the squad, just on an attached IC which grants it to the squad. Yes they get stealth but not for themselves.
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2012/08/08 02:03:47
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Making Stuff
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Your initial complaint was about not having access to Stealth, not about not being able to take it themselves...
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2012/08/08 02:07:35
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Fine you win. It's still crap though.
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2012/08/08 03:12:43
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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liturgies of blood wrote:Fine you win. It's still crap though.
True, but throwing a melta into the mix, or having snipers with BS 4, or extra special shiny outflank, or any number of boosts kinda helps that -1 to save in cover sting a little less
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2012/08/08 08:08:54
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Not being a scoring unit, and being elite in an army that have to waste an elite choise just to get unit leaders is kind of the biggest downer with wolf scouts IMO.
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2012/08/08 08:52:40
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Well, technically, Camo Cloaks don't give stealth, just +1 Cover save.
Taking Telion to get stealth is another 50.
It's 227 points for 10 Scouts w/ Cloaks and Telion (227 since Telion already comes with a cloak)
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/08/08 08:54:02
 warboss wrote:Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
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2012/08/08 08:56:43
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Sorry by bad it's just BA scouts that get stealth with cammo cloaks.
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2012/08/08 09:27:42
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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liturgies of blood wrote:Sorry by bad it's just BA scouts that get stealth with cammo cloaks.
All camo cloaks, including BA ones, are errata'd to give +1 to Cover saves instead of Stealth now.
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2012/08/08 20:22:37
Subject: Space wolves combat squads
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
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liturgies of blood wrote:Fine you win. It's still crap though.
Oh come on... SW's can do so many other better things.
Example...Wolf Scouts can go behind enemy lines. Vanilla scouts...cant. Grey Hunters, Blood Claws, Wolf Guard all have the counter-attack USR for free. Vanilla marines ... don't. Long Fangs can take 5 heavy weapons and split fire for less points than it costs vanilla marines to have only 4.
And so on. I'm sorry, I'll take the "can't combat squad" and "Drop pod capacity of 10 instead of 12" problems for all of this stuff. There has to be some trade off for all of the space wolves bad-ass-ness.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Lobukia wrote:liturgies of blood wrote:Fine you win. It's still crap though.
True, but throwing a melta into the mix, or having snipers with BS 4, or extra special shiny outflank, or any number of boosts kinda helps that -1 to save in cover sting a little less
This ^. Do you want your wolf scout snipers to have an awesome cover save? Put them behind an Aegis Defense Line. Problem solved.
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