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Two assault questions in a ongoing game.

1. A unit of termagants and hormogaunts charged the same Space Marine squad. Where do the overwatch shots go?

2. My Hive Tyrant charges and challenges Lysander. Both survive combat. Do we carry on a second round of close combat in my turn? Or do the "second and subsequent" rounds occur starting in his assault phase? The wording doesn't seem too clear.

1. its the opponents choice. you declare assaults then resolve overwatch before rolling charge range. but they can only overwatch one unit.

2. its in the next following assault phase. pg 65 under round two it says "they continue to fight in the next round of close combat" It reads to me that means in his assault phase, then yours etc.

1. Whoever declares the charge first. OOO is

- Declare Charge
- Resolve Overwatch
- Roll Distance
- Move if you have range, charge fails if you dont.

You then repeat for the second squad seperately, except they don't fire overwatch as its only once per turn (even if the first unit doesn't successfully charge).

2. Starts in his phase. Basically just treat it as if your guy and his guy were on a totally different battlefield fighting alone.

Eeps wrote:1. Whoever declares the charge first. OOO is

- Declare Charge
- Resolve Overwatch
- Roll Distance
- Move if you have range, charge fails if you dont.

You then repeat for the second squad seperately, except they don't fire overwatch as its only once per turn (even if the first unit doesn't successfully charge).

2. Starts in his phase. Basically just treat it as if your guy and his guy were on a totally different battlefield fighting alone.

Not totally correct. Firing Overwatch is not compulsory. A unit can choose to not fire Overwatch at a unit charging them and then fire Overwatch on any subsequent units that charge during the same phase.

The restriction is that they can only fire Overwatch on a single unit, not the first unit that charges in a phase.

Of course, unless that first unit fails their charge because its charge range roll was insufficient, they're locked in combat and can no longer fire Overwatch.

So if you're attacking with multiple units, charge first with the one that can take the Overwatch fire the best.

Well you could choose not to fire at the first unit that declares, but if they roll enough range your defensive unit will then be in combat and can't fire at the second coming in.

I guess you could gamble and hold off if they were at 10 inches and hope the first declarer doesn't get in.


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Redemption wrote:Of course, unless that first unit fails their charge because its charge range roll was insufficient, they're locked in combat and can no longer fire Overwatch.

So if you're attacking with multiple units, charge first with the one that can take the Overwatch fire the best.

hmm...interesting tactica here. since it says once they are locked in combat they cant overwatch, and the fighting phase it says you can declare the next unit after the first charged in. so you force him to overwatch the toughest (or the one you dont care survives) then assault with the other safely.

of course this is also in the fight sub-phase, so it could be argued that the assaulted unit is not yet locked into close combat. (no combat has been made)

Boggy79 wrote:

Eeps wrote:1. Whoever declares the charge first. OOO is

- Declare Charge
- Resolve Overwatch
- Roll Distance
- Move if you have range, charge fails if you dont.

You then repeat for the second squad seperately, except they don't fire overwatch as its only once per turn (even if the first unit doesn't successfully charge).

2. Starts in his phase. Basically just treat it as if your guy and his guy were on a totally different battlefield fighting alone.

Not totally correct. Firing Overwatch is not compulsory. A unit can choose to not fire Overwatch at a unit charging them and then fire Overwatch on any subsequent units that charge during the same phase.

The restriction is that they can only fire Overwatch on a single unit, not the first unit that charges in a phase.

Also not totally correct. If you do not Overwatch on the first charging unit, you can only fire Overwatch on the second unit if the first one does not reach you. IF the first unit reaches you, then you are locked in combat and cannot overwatch any other charging units that turn.