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Hey guys,
Riight the new updates and faq's are out for daemons. We have had mass mess.
codex daemon: deamons get the armour save as a invun save.
white dwarf update: some the daemons have( - ) in there save bar.
rulebook: 5+ invun save.
right the clash is both rules is said ''daemon rule'' so the does the codex over rule the rulebook?
The stuff that has been faqed we get. But this means chaos daemons have no save.
As the codex over rules rulebook IF wording conflicts.
EG ''storm shield'' 5th ed 3+ invun always But black templars and dark angels had a 4+ in combat only. Till it was faqed.
half the gaming group do daemons and they think the get both rules. we have emailed Gw too.
Peace
ps I am just messenger

This very simple. In the new FAQ it never states you replace the old daemon rule. It instead states that you just add Fear to it. That means that nothing has changed and everything can go on as it always has. 5+ Invulnerable for most, 4+ for Invul for others, and so on.

As for the new White Dwarf update, it states that they have the Daemon rule but doesn't say to look in the Codex so you have to look in the BRB. That means they get a 5+ Invul and the other usual rules.

Thanks. The persons that dislike is obv the daemon players in are group.

Did screamers & flamers go from a 4+ to a 5+ now? I can't seem to find something that says otherwise.

Yes, they have a worse save. But an extra wound....

schadenfreude wrote:Did screamers & flamers go from a 4+ to a 5+ now? I can't seem to find something that says otherwise.

Seems a bit silly but demons never had marks of chaos so their +1 save was included in their profile. The new release doesn't have the save included in the profile because its only showing armor not invulnerable save, and the USR for demons is only a 5+. Seems like an oversight because all Tzeentch demons always have a 4+. But it is what it is, more sloppy rules from GW.

5+* Screamers are not too bad.

18 wound unit charging terminators? Yes please

Hellstorm wrote:As for the new White Dwarf update, it states that they have the Daemon rule but doesn't say to look in the Codex so you have to look in the BRB. That means they get a 5+ Invul and the other usual rules.

The update in the WD replaces the entry in the Codex, so you still refer to the Codex for the rest of the special rules that apply. The BRB only says they get the 5+ save, so by your logic Screamers and Flamers are not Eternal Warriors, can be deployed as normal, and are not Fearless.

Captain Antivas wrote:

Hellstorm wrote:As for the new White Dwarf update, it states that they have the Daemon rule but doesn't say to look in the Codex so you have to look in the BRB. That means they get a 5+ Invul and the other usual rules.

The update in the WD replaces the entry in the Codex, so you still refer to the Codex for the rest of the special rules that apply. The BRB only says they get the 5+ save, so by your logic Screamers and Flamers are not Eternal Warriors, can be deployed as normal, and are not Fearless.

RAW everything must deploy by deamonic assault, all deamons have eternal warrior/fearless, and the new tzeentch deamons have a 5+. I expect a faq would say they have a 4+ and it was an oversight, but honestly as a chaos player I will say they don't need a 4+ to still be awesome. It was really sloppy of them not to mention what their invo is when RAI all tzeentch deamons should have a 4+

They gave them an extra wound and took away 1 from their Invo save. I am not sure this was sloppy but seems intentional.

People that see sense, Thanks everyone for not been a spanner like some my friends

Changing the screamer/flamer invul from 4 to 5 does not seem all that sloppy if you factor in the chaos rumors.

I know they are just rumors, but it appears the mark of tz gives you an extra wound and the icon the invul, which seems odd at first, but makes more sense when you look at what they did to the screamers/flamers.

It also exactly matches fantasy, where only horrors can havea 4++ save