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If you could pay 80 pts to give one of the best troop choices in the game outflank, would you? It is something I have been thinking about for a while now, and the more I play, the more I find it appealing. If you attach a WGBL with Saga of the Hunter, you enable Outflank and Stealth to the Grey Hunters.

Why would you want Outflank on Grey Hunters? Isn't that overkill?

Maybe, but things have changed in 6th ed.

Deployment zones have changed drastically. You and your opponent are always starting 24" away from each other, whereas in the 5th Dawn of War deployment, you could end up within 18". On top of that, Hammer and Anvil deployment encourage Outflanking units as the left and right table edges stretch from 48" to 72".

Linebreaker is the secondary objective that says you score 1 VP by having a scoring or denial unit in the enemies deployment zone. Outflanking gets you there.

Maneuverability and positioning is the name of the game in 6th, and while some believe the transport is dead (I do not, I believe they are just as good if not better in 6th), I propose Outflank is a decent alternative. It can move you into position majority of the time by turn 2 or 3 giving you 2-3 turns of movement, shooting and assaulting if need be.

Grey Hunters will actually make use of their Acute Senses.

With an attached WG in terminator armor, the squad becomes much more survivable. His 2+ mixed with the wolf standard makes the squad incredibly durable during that round of combat.

Now it comes down to how to kit out the squad. I propose full strength with a flamer, plasma gun, MotW, and a wolf standard. This keeps them cheap (175 pts), efficient and prepared to handle most things. With an attached WGBL and WG in TDA, the squad weighs in just under 300 points. To recap, those 300 points snags you a durable, scoring, outflanking unit with acute senses and stealth.

What do you think?

Allied SM/BA scouts or an entire Infantry platoon via Alriehem*

A much better idea, surely?

*Spelling?

Razerous wrote:Allied SM/BA scouts or an entire Infantry platoon via Alriehem*

A much better idea, surely?

*Spelling?

How is paying large numbers of points for an outflanking unit when i can pay 80 for GH outflanking? TDA WG+WGBL+2 special weapons is not nice in your backline. 2 Plasmaguns and a cyclone would make it worse, but of course its increases costs and it could potentially end up isolated.

Outflanking has proven very, very effective in my games so far. I'm very much a fan.

It's even more hilarious when the outflanking unit has Acute Senses and Preferred Enemy. The WGBL is good, but going up to the Wolf Priest is so much more useful.

@Razerous
I see your point. That is a very effective squad and yes, could be argued to be a better unit. However, the GHs bring something to the table that the blob doesn't. Acute senses, stealth, and a rerollable 2+ save in a single assault phase.

@DaddyWarmcrimes
Great idea! I didn't even notice the WP could have that saga.

I love saga of the hunter. It makes priests a good boost and very flexible. Especially to allies like blob squads.

However, surely a drop pod would be better in most situations.

The point I was trying to make was, it seems odd to spend a HQ in points + FOC (less important for SW true) when there are options that naturally have outflank.

What about scouts? Or/and scouts combined with one squad of outflanking GH's?

I like the wolf priest better for this role. Preferred enemy, fearless and better gear for +30pts is a steal if you want to do this.

Razerous wrote:The point I was trying to make was, it seems odd to spend a HQ in points + FOC (less important for SW true) when there are options that naturally have outflank.

What about scouts? Or/and scouts combined with one squad of outflanking GH's?

Oh, I see! Totally, spending the points to unlock something as such may not be the best idea compared to others, but it has its benefits. One of the best troop choices in the game outflanking with stealth is pretty nasty though. That is the point I was trying to make. However, and outflanking blob squad sounds tempting as well.

Scouts are an elite choice for Space Wolves, making it less desirable. Allied contingencies taking scouts is a good idea though, but they are quite squishy with a 4+ save.

J Mac wrote:

Razerous wrote:The point I was trying to make was, it seems odd to spend a HQ in points + FOC (less important for SW true) when there are options that naturally have outflank.

What about scouts? Or/and scouts combined with one squad of outflanking GH's?

Oh, I see! Totally, spending the points to unlock something as such may not be the best idea compared to others, but it has its benefits. One of the best troop choices in the game outflanking with stealth is pretty nasty though. That is the point I was trying to make. However, and outflanking blob squad sounds tempting as well.

Scouts are an elite choice for Space Wolves, making it less desirable. Allied contingencies taking scouts is a good idea though, but they are quite squishy with a 4+ save.

Scouts are also a lot less hard-hitting and more vulnerable than a full squad of Grey Hunters.

I have not tried it yet but since you have to start the game within youre dedicated transport if you outflank and since wolf guards get them as such

Also since you cannot charge the turn you arrive you might aswell hide in an AV14 bunker

Grey hunters can do this cheaper with Rhinos but you cant charge out of a rhino

Im thinking of testing this at 2000p some day with friends
maybe

Hunter WGBL
5 Terminators (basic)
Land raider redeemer w/ multimelta

in a logan army

thats about 500p that is tough, gives the WTF-factor to your opponent and is scoring.

other thoughts that is maybe more attractive in competition is

Hunter-mark of the wulfen-WGBL+2 fenrisian wolves
14 fenrisian wolves + cyberwolf

in an army were someone has saga of wolfkin
thats only 235 points, it could save you a round of shooting the turn they arrive because your opponent gets so freaked out he shoots at them instead of your rhinos, or he doesnt and you have a lot of I5-wolves ripping models to pieces the next turn

Razerous wrote:The point I was trying to make was, it seems odd to spend a HQ in points + FOC (less important for SW true) when there are options that naturally have outflank.

Because the natural option, scouts...are scouts. Less special weapons. lower armor. Can come in backfield. Aren't troops, can't score.
Different bodies, different squad loadouts, different roles.