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2012/08/10 02:03:02
Subject: Chaos Butcher Predator
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Irked Necron Immortal
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Chaos Butcher Predator 115 pts.
13/11/10 3HP
Equipment :
Turret mounted butcher cannon.
smoke launchers
searchlights.
Sponsons can be purchased for the following costs:
+ 25 for Heavy bolters
+ 60 for lascannons
+ 40 for Reaper Autocannons.
vehicle upgrades can be purchased from Codex: Chaos Space Marines.
Butcher Cannon 36" str 8 AP 4 Heavy 4 (rules for this come from IA apoc. 2nd ed.)
Idea behind this tank is that I really wanted to see a Chaos Predator that could take autocannon sponsons, But thought that simply adding the option to the current Chaos Predator would be lacking.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/08/10 16:59:53
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2012/08/10 04:44:11
Subject: Chaos Butcher Predator
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
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I'd say it looks more than reasonable. This predator would push Obliterators into the back row.
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2012/08/10 04:55:03
Subject: Chaos Butcher Predator
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Places
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I don't like the fact of 13 front ( guess what ima Guard armour snob XD) no predator nor rhino deserves 13 front , space marines where desgined to be a rapid strike force not a lumbering tank army , they shouldn't have close to that . Leave the dedicated tank armies for he Imperial Guard and the Tau , I Chaos play with he big toys they gonna get hurt. But that is a really ugh cost for sponsons is that what it is in theCsM codec ?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/08/10 04:56:06
Motto of the Imperial Guard " If its worth bringing one its worth bringing three"
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2012/08/10 05:14:37
Subject: Chaos Butcher Predator
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
Battle Barge Impossible Fortress
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Can't tell if troll...............
So wait, Ahriman and his Primarch basically developed 5 psychic disciplines for the Imperium, yet a little weak Primaris Psyker can take Biomancy but Thousand Sons cannot?
Yeah, no psyker but Thousand Sons deserve Biomancy.
Don't relate these rules to what's in that codex. It blows.
Maybe my point was lost. Why can't we have AV13?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/08/10 05:16:37
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2012/08/10 06:33:34
Subject: Chaos Butcher Predator
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Kasrkin229 wrote:I don't like the fact of 13 front ( guess what ima Guard armour snob XD) no predator nor rhino deserves 13 front , space marines where desgined to be a rapid strike force not a lumbering tank army , they shouldn't have close to that . Leave the dedicated tank armies for he Imperial Guard and the Tau , I Chaos play with he big toys they gonna get hurt. But that is a really ugh cost for sponsons is that what it is in theCsM codec ?
but all predators have front armor of 13
@Sunoccard, please make the butcher cannon twin linked
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2012/08/10 06:50:13
Subject: Chaos Butcher Predator
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Kasrkin229 wrote:I don't like the fact of 13 front ( guess what ima Guard armour snob XD) no predator nor rhino deserves 13 front , space marines where desgined to be a rapid strike force not a lumbering tank army , they shouldn't have close to that . Leave the dedicated tank armies for he Imperial Guard and the Tau , I Chaos play with he big toys they gonna get hurt. But that is a really ugh cost for sponsons is that what it is in theCsM codec ?
Did you really just say no Space Marine vehicles should have armor 13 on the front?
Guess Land Raiders, Vindicators, Whirlwinds and, Predators all piss you off?
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2012/08/10 06:51:35
 warboss wrote:Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
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2012/08/10 06:51:45
Subject: Chaos Butcher Predator
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Fireknife Shas'el
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Kasrkin229 wrote:I don't like the fact of 13 front ( guess what ima Guard armour snob XD) no predator nor rhino deserves 13 front , space marines where desgined to be a rapid strike force not a lumbering tank army , they shouldn't have close to that . Leave the dedicated tank armies for he Imperial Guard and the Tau , I Chaos play with he big toys they gonna get hurt. But that is a really ugh cost for sponsons is that what it is in theCsM codec ?
Normal Predator armor is 13/12/10. Also, typing things out in legible sentences helps. I don't like having to decipher posts. Also, all Necron vehicles except three have AV13 or better.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/08/10 06:54:14
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2012/08/10 06:53:13
Subject: Chaos Butcher Predator
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
Battle Barge Impossible Fortress
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Nahhh they're 11 on side armor maing!
(no offense) <3
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2012/08/10 06:55:11
Subject: Chaos Butcher Predator
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Fireknife Shas'el
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Either way, dudes still wrong.
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2012/08/10 13:15:54
Subject: Chaos Butcher Predator
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Places
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No i said i can't Recall any Space Marine Vehicals that have 13 Front Armor , Just never met them before, or they didn't live long enough to shoot at me , justs saying 13 is a bit squishiy
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2012/08/10 13:27:28
Subject: Chaos Butcher Predator
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Morphing Obliterator
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TyraelVladinhurst wrote:@Sunoccard, please make the butcher cannon twin linked
Twin linked for the Butcher Cannon would be way too much, the Reapers are already. I think it's pretty fine the way it is now.
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2012/08/10 13:42:15
Subject: Chaos Butcher Predator
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Lord of the Fleet
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Kasrkin229 wrote:I don't like the fact of 13 front ( guess what ima Guard armour snob XD) no predator nor rhino deserves 13 front , space marines where desgined to be a rapid strike force not a lumbering tank army , they shouldn't have close to that . Leave the dedicated tank armies for he Imperial Guard and the Tau , I Chaos play with he big toys they gonna get hurt. But that is a really ugh cost for sponsons is that what it is in theCsM codec ?
Kasrkin229 wrote:No i said i can't Recall any Space Marine Vehicals that have 13 Front Armor , Just never met them before, or they didn't live long enough to shoot at me , justs saying 13 is a bit squishiy
Your first quote implies the predator is a big, heavily armoured tank, and that AV13 is strong and it should be less.
Your second quote says AV13 is squishy.
Make up your mind.
On a productive note, are the las sponsons 50 or 60pts in the chaos dex? I know they're 60 in the vanilla/loyal dexes.
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2012/08/10 14:22:27
Subject: Chaos Butcher Predator
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Irked Necron Immortal
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Blacksails wrote:Kasrkin229 wrote:I don't like the fact of 13 front ( guess what ima Guard armour snob XD) no predator nor rhino deserves 13 front , space marines where desgined to be a rapid strike force not a lumbering tank army , they shouldn't have close to that . Leave the dedicated tank armies for he Imperial Guard and the Tau , I Chaos play with he big toys they gonna get hurt. But that is a really ugh cost for sponsons is that what it is in theCsM codec ?
Kasrkin229 wrote:No i said i can't Recall any Space Marine Vehicals that have 13 Front Armor , Just never met them before, or they didn't live long enough to shoot at me , justs saying 13 is a bit squishiy
Your first quote implies the predator is a big, heavily armoured tank, and that AV13 is strong and it should be less.
Your second quote says AV13 is squishy.
Make up your mind.
On a productive note, are the las sponsons 50 or 60pts in the chaos dex? I know they're 60 in the vanilla/loyal dexes.
They are 60 in the chaos codex as well. I thought a small pt reduction was fair due to the high cost of the tank.
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2012/08/10 15:40:10
Subject: Re:Chaos Butcher Predator
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Lord of the Fleet
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It'd be best to keep them at 60pts. This is for two reasons; the first being that the tank is supposedly balanced taking sponsons at that cost, and should remain that way, and the second is for clarity. Its easier for you to take that tank when the only difference is the main gun. If you start changing around the cost of popular options, your opponent will be confused, or at least wonder why it doesn't cost the same as the other preds.
That said, 175pts for 6 shots at S8 or higher is still really good. I'd highly recommend making the sponson option cost what they cost in the codex.
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