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I was thinking of re-molding my army to a more Forgeworld oriented theme. I don't play tournaments so I won't have the problem of people complaining about me using GW authorised models....

How much better would Eldar be if you dropped the Falcons and the Prisms and instead took Hornets and Warp Hunters?

Annnnnnd since we Eldar don't have any type of flyer I was thinking of throwing in a Razorwing or two.

I think those units could really make an Eldar list competitive or am I completely wrong?

That is all, thank you.

Well, Eldar would definitely be better if you'd include Hornets and Warp Hunters.
FW also offers Eldar-type flyers, but you cannot go wrong with a Razorwing.

Ah sweet glad you made this thread

Me and a friend discussed this topic during 5th and we came up with a few things.

Plords: All have 4++, Asuryan has 3++
Scorpians: 2 attacks standard AND all the current bonus's they have (so it would be an eldar equiv to orks) make them either str4 basic and remove the +1str OR keep the +1 str and give ap5 weapons as standard.
wraithguard: either 5+ FNP or 5+ inv and lower cost.
wraithlord: 5+FNP or 5+ inv and sweep attack that hits models in b2b (instead of attacking normally)
Vehicles: All are BS4 or an upgrade to bs4 for points

But mostly lower costs across the board for everything

Warp Hunters and Hornets are the mutts nuts.

All the vehicles should definitely be BS4, a super advanced race of Space Elves with technology the Imperium can only marvel at and yet they can't hit a barn door with most of their weapons - we have to spam WW shots just to guarantee a kill!

I think all the Wraith units should get a buff, I like FNP for WG and an invulnerable for the WL, why can't he carry a shimmer shield, he was once an Exarch after all!

I'd love to see Hornets and Warp Hunters brought into the next codex as standard. And a decent flyer, like the razor wing.

The biggest thing is points costs, yes, especially for weapons. The units themselves are mostly priced fairly in my opinion, but many of the heavy weapon upgrades are just way overpriced.

Fliers are clearly going to be added to the list, so I'll just skip over them.

Other things that I'd like to see that I think have a good chance of making it in:
-An assault vehicle option for the Wave Serpent, even if it has to be weakened in other ways
-As mentioned before, BS4 for vehicles is a must.
-Making the Jump-Jets for the War Walker a standard option
-Some weapon options for the Wraithguard (I really doubt they'll make a plastic kit for the WG -which has been loosely confirmed- without either giving them different loadouts or making it a dual-purpose kit similar to a couple of the Necron unit boxes).

Long-Shot Wishlisting:
-The return of the Court of the Young King as a non-slot HQ option for the Avatar and/or Autarchs. Being able to mix together various Exarchs was fun and made for great modeling opportunities.

Anyone think given the new flyer craze in 6th that people will allow Eldar Forgeworld fliers in then? I know that FW have released an update for their flyers to cover 6th.

Interestingly the FW Firestorm would be a nice addition to an Eldar list with all these fliers zipping around, maybe tournies will show some leniancy on these models?

Why a Razorwing? Nightwings are pretty dang good (I claim better) all own their non-allied own.

A Razorwing is a good choice as an "Allied" flier, as it is the nearest you can get to a Nightwing Interceptor without using a Forgeworld model (the plastic model is even pretty damn close even in style to the FW one).

Lots of places don't like Forgeworlds rules to be used, and VDR rules are gone now, so you can't just replace the Dark lances and Splinter weapons on the DE plastic kit with Pulse Lasers and shuriken weapons to make a counts-as "Nightwing".

It's one of the next definite choices for my Eldar army, and even if Eldar get a Nightwing witha new codex, I will still use the old mode, as my Eldar are supposed to be "Corsairs".

I think the Razorwing is looking like a solid addition to an Eldar army and they are reasonably priced on GW too (cheaper than a Falcon). Now if only they add Warp Hunters to the next codex...

I think I will field a Wraithwall/Eldrad with Razorwing fire support and an Avatar for the fearless bubble and see how it works out.

AegisGrimm wrote:A Razorwing is a good choice as an "Allied" flier, as it is the nearest you can get to a Nightwing Interceptor without using a Forgeworld model (the plastic model is even pretty damn close even in style to the FW one).

Lots of places don't like Forgeworlds rules to be used,

Yeah, but the guy I was responding to does.

hornets are crazy, yes they cost alot, but all of those S8 shots are painful, i have a friend that runs 3 of them in some games and tha is a scary unit(12 S8 shots at BS3 iirc...owww)

Way Ahead of you on the razorwing/nightwing idea!!

Here is mine all painted up, i play pretty much only with friends who love forgeworld.

http://s11.postimage.org/lr2viysvn/20120718_175225.jpg

Do Nightwings come with the big flying stand now?

Also, Hornets are BS 4.

DarknessEternal wrote:Do Nightwings come with the big flying stand now?

Also, Hornets are BS 4.

Well, I have a Nightwing (bought 2009 or so), but it didn't come with a big stand. Not sure if they changed it.

Way Ahead of you on the razorwing/nightwing idea!!

Here is mine all painted up, i play pretty much only with friends who love forgeworld.

http://s11.postimage.org/lr2viysvn/20120718_175225.jpg

Awesome. Now that I've seen one painted in an main Craftworld color scheme I am convinced that Razorwings look good next to Craftworld Eldar, even though my army is a non-standard sceme.

As for Hornets, the only thing stopping me from getting one instead of a Fire prism to have another tank in mhy Eldar force is that I have to also get the book it's in from FW, and that's alot for just one unit. But I've heard many good things about Hornets. Not much of anything about Warp Hunters.

Ultimately I will replace my Falcons with Hornets and my Prisms with Warp Hunters they both offer so much more and you can free up a heavy slot with the hornets as they're fast attack. I can see GW adding Hornets and Wasps in on the next codex.

@Foid the Razorwing is looking mint mate, I am definitely gonna add one to my list - at half the price of the FW fliers they are a much better option, and you can use them in tournies to boot!

Hell, now that I take a look at the Hornet, Wraithseer and Warp Hunters prices, now I want some Forgeworld Eldar! They are cheaper than the plastic eldar machinery of the same type!

First off, I'd say that re-vamping your army to use forgeworld units should be put off until they've released their 6th edition updates for all the existing books.

That said, if the rules don't change significantly, then you won't go wrong with hornets and nightwings.

In terms of new codex ideas, I thought of something along the following lines for Serpents, etc.

Momentum Teleporters: If the transport has moved at cruising speed this turn, then the embarked unit may assault the turn it disembarked.

Thought this would give an assault option out of serpents that allows for interesting tactics to counter it.

We NEED some kind of assault transport, Banshees and pretty much Scorpions are just plain redundant atm.

I always thought Eldar should have some kind of teleport/deepstrike ability along the lines of webway gates in the mainstream game but I know that's just serious wishful thinking - I know there's some kind of perk to take in planetstrike and an apoc datasheet but it should be standard.

I'll settle for a decent flyer and hornets in fast attack though for now

Well, what I would be interesting in is a thread named ''Making Eldar work at the competitive level''.

neilvicks wrote:We NEED some kind of assault transport, Banshees and pretty much Scorpions are just plain redundant atm.

I always thought Eldar should have some kind of teleport/deepstrike ability along the lines of webway gates in the mainstream game but I know that's just serious wishful thinking - I know there's some kind of perk to take in planetstrike and an apoc datasheet but it should be standard.

I'll settle for a decent flyer and hornets in fast attack though for now

With the new terrain options (and the potential they have), there is now no reason you cannot buy a webway gate (bigger than the DE ones, so allows vehicles etc.) and be able to deploy it like any other fortification

Formosa wrote:With the new terrain options (and the potential they have), there is now no reason you cannot buy a webway gate (bigger than the DE ones, so allows vehicles etc.) and be able to deploy it like any other fortification

I love this idea.

Also, I think the Aspect Warriors need some big power buff too. AP2 Banshee swords, Salvo Reaper Launchers, Shining Spears with some sort of unique Hammer of Wrath attack, stuff like that.

@Westenfluex, ok ok it kinda went off on a tangent - I really just wanted to see if everyone else thought Hornets and Warp Hunters were worth it.

I guess us Eldar players just like to jump at the chance to bemoan what we don't have as an army!!

Eldar do deserve to be competetive, I think FW units allow them to be.

neilvicks wrote:@Westenfluex, ok ok it kinda went off on a tangent - I really just wanted to see if everyone else thought Hornets and Warp Hunters were worth it.

I guess us Eldar players just like to jump at the chance to bemoan what we don't have as an army!!

Eldar do deserve to be competetive, I think FW units allow them to be.

Hornets and Warp Hunters are decent tanks that are able fill some gaps in a mechdar list.
How about the rest of the army?
I'd suggest some Serpents (tl scatterlaser, underslung shuricannon) with Fire Dragons (5 men) and Dire Avengers (10 men) as a core.

I would say that they are especially worth it, as people like their rules on the tabletop and the models from Forgeworld are priced competitively, now that GW has raised their prices. Other than shipping, which is a bitch outside of the UK, the Warp Hunter is slightly cheaper than the Fire Prism it's based on.

The Hornet can't really be compered to anything, as it seems to basically be somewhere between a Viper and a Falcon. But priced right between the two kits, as well.

How about rangers? Or a Wraithwall??

I was thinking a foot/mech mix - Use the Hornets to flank one side and the WW on the other, have the Warp Hunters as backfield fire support and the Razorwing strafing in and scattering infantry blobs. All the while sending a wraithwall ala Eldrad and the Avatar with 3 squads of guardians one of them a 12 man squad of Storm Guardians. Then have 3 WS one with a 10 man squad of DA and then the other 2 with 2 x 5 mand squads of FD. Finally have a squad of Rangers on a backfield objective, the Razorwing can also support them.

Anyway I don't want to turn it into a tactics thread but that was my general idea, I haven't figured out the points and it's not set in stone but I think the additions of the Warp Hunter, Razorwing and Hornets really buff it up. Instead of the average Prism you have Warp Hunters dedicated to AV14 and the Razorwing for infantry blobs/hordes. Then you have 8 str 8 shots on one flank and another 24 str 6 shots on the other flank, not bad eh? Then you have the advancing wraithwall/guardian blob coming right up the middle to worry about oh and FD and DA...

You could tweak it for different point games and not always take everything but the core is there so you can just mix and match.

I think the additions of the Warp Hunter, Razorwing and Hornets really buff it up. Instead of the average Prism you have Warp Hunters dedicated to AV14 and the Razorwing for infantry blobs/hordes. Then you have 8 str 8 shots on one flank and another 24 str 6 shots on the other flank, not bad eh? Then you have the advancing wraithwall/guardian blob coming right up the middle to worry about oh and FD and DA...

You are on a good way, Warp Hunters, a Razorwing, and Hornets provide a decent starting point.
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