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Renton, Washington

Well, I have 10 GK's in power armor, (five of them are magnetized), a Brotherhood Champion, 5 Terminators (magnetized).

I also have two dreadnoughts that I can add, a Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer, a Rhino or two, and a Librarian I can add.

Would this be a good start for 1500pts? If so, what should I run them as? I wanna run two Autocannon dreads, maybe some Paladins/Terminators, and a Strike Squad with the Brotherhood Champion. Does that sound okay?

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Brotherhood champions are poop, and the librarian is over costed unless you really want codex powers over rulebook powers. If you want rulebook powers Coteaz does everything the Libby can do minus a 5+ invuln save, for the cost of a bro champ

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Renton, Washington

I think Brotherhood Champions are pretty awesome. I like their rules. But do you think this is a good start?

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Brotherhood Champions are bad because of two reasons:
1) They have only 1 W.
2) when enemy uses Sergeants/Crypteks/Nobs/any other non-IC to challenge them, they only get 1 Attack total.
   
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Renton, Washington

Is he okay as a secondary HQ?

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Shrewsbury

A Brotherhood champion should only offer challenges when a non-IC character cannot accept, and should only accept challenges from an IC. Otherwise the squad justicar should be accepting.

The champion's strengths are the boost he gives to assault (re-rolls to hit) and his ability to remove key enemy models from the game (which challenges make easier - they either risk dying if they kill him or they can be excluded from a combat.

Either way, he's a decent HQ for his points, though Coteaz is certainly better value.

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Renton, Washington

I don't really care for Coteaz. He just doesn't appeal to me. I was thinking of running my Champ with some Pallies/Termies in a Land Raider, or a Strike squad while I run the Libby with my Pallies/ Termies

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Shrewsbury

Yeah, I'm not saying you should take Coteaz, just pointing out he's the stronger HQ for 100 points.

But also pointing out that the champion's actually okay as an HQ too (and works well with terminators who can LOS! him from shooting if necessary).

The librarian, however, is now (sadly) very poor value. He's expensive for divination powers and the codex powers are much less effective than in 5th (except Warp Rift). If you have the model and no other alternative, take him. But otherwise I'd spend points elsewhere -- a grandmaster would be a better HQ choice, or just get more troops or support units.

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Renton, Washington

Thanks for pointing that out at least Instead of just saying he sucks or something.

Thats a shame. How should I set up a Grandmaster if I can afford one?

Also, does my setup of Termies/Pallies in a Land Raider, a Strike Squad in a rhino, and 2 autocannon Dreadnoughts?

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Shrewsbury

As a core you could have:

Brotherhood Champion - 100

10 man Strike Squad: psybolts, 2 psycannon - 240

5 Terminators: psycannon, 2 hammers, justicar with stave, 2 halberds - 245

Dreadnought: dual twin-linked autocannon, psybolts, searchlight - 136

Dreadnought: dual twin-linked autocannon, psybolts, searchlight - 136

which is 857 points.

Leaving 643 to spend.

Grand Master: mc sword, empyrean brain mines, psychotroke grenades - 205

Land Raider Crusader: mulit-melta, psybolts, searchlight - 270

Rhino - 40

is 515.

Leaving 133.

But to be honest, I'd rather sink most of the above points into more ten man Strike Squads because 2-5 scoring units (5 with dreadnoughts made scoring and Grand Strategy) probably isn't enough given the durability of the units in question.

Certainly I don't think you can really take both Grand Master and a Land Raider too effectively at 1500.

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Renton, Washington

Maybe use the points from the Grand Master and the extra points for another 10 man strike squad with a rhino? And maybe another termie or two?

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Shrewsbury

Brotherhood Champion - 100

10 man Strike Squad: psybolts, 2 psycannon, Rhino - 280

10 man Strike Squad: psybolts, 2 psycannon, Rhino - 280

5 Terminators: psycannon, 2 hammers, justicar with stave, 2 halberds - 245

Dreadnought: dual twin-linked autocannon, psybolts, searchlight - 136

Dreadnought: dual twin-linked autocannon, psybolts, searchlight - 136

Land Raider Crusader: multi-melta, psybolts - 270

would be 1447.

You could think about upping the Rhinos to Razorbacks (or one of them anyway) and maybe giving the champion some brain mines. Or add a terminator or something.

Personally I'd not that the raider and run:

Brotherhood Champion: brain mines - 110

10 man Strike Squad: psybolts, 2 psycannon, Rhino - 280

10 man Strike Squad: psybolts, 2 psycannon, Razorback: lascannon, twin-linked plasma gun, searchlight - 311

10 Terminators: psybolts, 2 psycannon, 4 hammers, justicar with stave, 4 halberds/swords, banner - 515

Dreadnought: dual twin-linked autocannon, psybolts, searchlight - 136

Dreadnought: dual twin-linked autocannon, psybolts, searchlight - 136

1493

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Renton, Washington

Where would the Termies start then if I didn't purchase a raider for them and the Champ to run in? Teleporting on, or already being on the board?

Also, I forget, can I fire a Psycannon on the go with Strike Squads?

And I will be getting 5 more termies sometime in the future. I could do list two.

I wouldn't mind just getting some razor's and throwing a squad of 6 in each.

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Shrewsbury

Most times, I think I'd I'd start the terminators as far up the board as practical and walk them forward with the champion in that unit. If the enemy's firing at them, they're not targeting your other squads as much.

Given that in roughly 2/3 games you're likely to have an objective in your deployment zone, I think Razorbacks for 10 man squads can work okay. In Purge and Relic you can just start them outside the razorbacks, in the other scenarios you can combat squad and leave one squad back covering an objective.

Psycannon are assault 2, so the strikes can fire them as they move, albeit less effectively than when static.


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Renton, Washington

Sounds fair. I'll consider the Land Raider. Dread's are a definite add though to my list. I'll just have lots of converting to do.

I can't run two squads of ten right now, but I can run two squads of five right now. I'll eventually be able to make them squads of ten. What guns should I have on the Razor's? Plas/Las?

Awww sweet. Thanks! Can't remember where I left my codex at the moment.

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Khador - 7pts
Legion Everblight - 25pts 
   
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Shrewsbury

I think either assault cannon, psybolts or lascannon, twin-linked plasma gun on the Razorbacks. There's pros and cons to both.

The land raider might do okay, but it's still a big juicy target for melta.

Follow these two simple rules to ensure a happy Dakka experience:

Rule 1 - to be a proper 40K player you must cry whenever a new edition of the game is released, and always call opposing armies broken when you don't win.

Rule 2 - Games Workshop are always wrong and have been heading for bankrupcy within 5 years since the early 90s.  
   
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Renton, Washington

Assault cannon seems more my alley, but I can try the other one too.

I miiiight like it. But that is a very big problem.

"So does he cast off a frail mortal frame for something greater and more difficile. So does he become a Dreadnought."
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