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Not sure how the rules for number of allowed rerolls works with Eldrad and the Swarmlord.

Swarmlord can make you re-roll a sucessfull Invuln save.

Eldrad can re-roll a failed Invuln save.

Usually you can only re-roll a die once. But in this case I can see a wierd re-roll from heck going on.

Swarmlord rolls, hits and wounds.
Eldrad fails his Invuln. He choses to to re-roll is Invuln and makes it.
Swarmlord can then make him re-roll that successful save.
Eldrad then has to re-roll his re-roll (and I'm not sure he is allowed to).

Am I missing something or can something like this happen and is it leagal?

When two rules interact like that (reroll both successful and failed results) just roll the die once and don't re-roll. It has the same outcome and takes less time.

The above is true and generally accepted.

Now, the real question is what to do with specific re rolls. For example, Objuaration Mechanicum and Twin linked weapons.

A twin linked heavy Bolter rolls three dice, and two are hits, but one is a 6. It is re rolled because of Objuration Mechanicum, and misses. Can twin linked be used to re roll that re roll?

Then, the third shot, a miss, is re rolled and hits on a 6. Obj. Mech. makes this be re rolled, but it's already a reroll! And if this re roll is a miss, if applicable, can that be re rolled again due to twin linked?

And remember, dont divide by zero kids!

jifel wrote:The above is true and generally accepted.

Now, the real question is what to do with specific re rolls. For example, Objuaration Mechanicum and Twin linked weapons.

That can get really messy with Nids. Take a unit like a tervigon with toxin sacs and has PE from a nearby Tyrant that gets hit by OM. She attacks a T6 unit and decides to not Smash.

So Tervigon rolls to hit and then rolls to wound. He gets a 6. OM makes him re-roll.
She gets a 2 and then she gets to re-roll from her TS.
She gets a 1 on her reroll. (and this is where I think the rules end RAW, but in theory she still has a reroll from PE.)

And that is without the scything talons/PE/OM sillyness.

It really does not get messy. The rules are perfectly clear. You can never re-roll a specific roll more than once regardless of the source.

The last FAQ on that was when you were faced with rerolls regardless of outcome, you just rolled once and took initial results.

For the Terv example, the first roll to wound would stand since OM would make your reroll the success and TS would make you reroll the failure.

OK

Re-rolls Can happen only once correct? We all agree on this.

So Eldrad takes a wound has to make 1 save.
He saves it. The TS force him to reroll saved wounds correct? So he rerolls fails takes a wound. DONE ROLLING

Other senario he rolls his save fails it there for TS rule does not apply he rerolls save due to fortune and saves it No wound.

Re roll are for the first roll of the dice and none other so apply the reroll rule to the first save roll and follow that.

Its like rocket surgery. IMPOSSIBLE
I have a question for everyone... Why so much rules manipulation. If ya just played the game in its simplest fashion its quite fun to play.

The actual FAQ example was Swarmlord and Eldrad.

Eldrad can reroll a failed invulnerable save.
Swarmlord makes you reroll successful invulnerable saves.

Swarmlord strikes Eldrad and causes a wound. Eldrad rolls the dice. That result stands.


Lung.. you have TS mixed up a bit there.

also.. these forums serve two purposes.. first, its a great way to learn the rules is by finding the answers to questions.. secondly there are people that manipulate on purpose so its good to have already heard the argument here first.

Lungpickle wrote:I have a question for everyone... Why so much rules manipulation. If ya just played the game in its simplest fashion its quite fun to play.

It's almost like someone could enjoy doing both.

i would think it works the same way null-zone interacts with fateweaver simple countering each other out no rerolls

The RAW is that there is no conflict.

Fortune: If you failed the first save, you re-roll.
Swarmlord: If you passed the first save, you re-roll.

There's no conflict between them.

The rules also specifically forbid re-rolling a die which has already been re-rolled, so again, no conflict.

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Of course, since a model which is under the effect of both of the above special rules has to re-roll ALL of their saves (successful or not), the FAQ advised it can be a useful timesaver to just say that those rules cancel out.