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Hi all

I'm confused - is Look out Sir working in shooting phase or in assault too?
Can I use Look out Sir after I've made (and failed) my armour save?

Assault too.
You make the roll once a wound has been allocated to a character. If the character and squad have the same save, LOS rolls would happen after saves.
If they have different saves, the LOS would happen before saves.

grendel083 wrote:Assault too.
You make the roll once a wound has been allocated to a character. If the character and squad have the same save, LOS rolls would happen after saves.
If they have different saves, the LOS would happen before saves.

Grendel you could make the LOS roll before (and take the unsaved wound on the new model) or after your character failed his armor save (and the new model would then take the wound). If you look at the rule for LOS it states that you may attempt you make a LOS roll on any saved or unsaved wound.

I am at work and do not have the BRB in front of me but as soon as I get home I will put the exact quote and page number. I believe it is in the first sentence of the rule. Was at my FLGS last Thursday and they pointed this out to me. I shuddered when i thought about a Harliestar with a 2++ reroll then the 2+ LOS....Still have nightmares.

It says that because you allocate at different times depending on mixed saves or not.

Druid - you dont get a choice on when you roll LOS!, it is when a wound is allocated. This is before or after saves, depending on if there are mixed saves in the unit or not. In the case of an archon in a unit of harlies, the saves are different so you MUST roll LOS! before rolling saves.

Can you LOS an allocated wound from a 6 to hit (from a character)?

Precision Strike? Yes, it is an allocated wound

nosferatu1001 wrote:Precision Strike? Yes, it is an allocated wound

Kind of defeats the whole purpose it seems lol

Formosa wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Precision Strike? Yes, it is an allocated wound

Kind of defeats the whole purpose it seems lol

Precision strikes is useful against special weapons and heavy weapons as they are usually not characters.

Formosa wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Precision Strike? Yes, it is an allocated wound

Kind of defeats the whole purpose it seems lol

Ive used it, a lot, as a mini torrent to force saves on melta, plasma, even risking the pfist toting sarge as he only gets a 4+. Very useful

Do this for each group of wounds in the wound pool

All saves the same: Roll all saves, Allocate Unsaved Wound, LOS or not, roll FnP (If all models have the same FnP, you can roll all FnP when you roll the saves)

Mixed saves: Allocate Wound, LOS or not, roll saves, roll FnP...

The key is that LOS triggers immediately on the *allocation*.

So *no* taking a save and then LOS

coredump has it.

To reiterate:

Two situations:

Situation 1
Entire unit / group has same save. (ie, Marines have 3+). Roll all saves in one go, remove casualties for each failed save. In this case, you are allocating unsaved wounds to the unit. When you come to allocate an unsaved wound to a character, you may attempt Look Out Sir. If you pass Look Out Sir, the another model is removed as a casualty (or just takes an unsaved wound, if it has more than one wound)

Situation 2
Model has unique save. (ie, character may have a 2+, within a unit that has 3+). Since this model has a 2+ save, while the others have a 3+, it can not be included in the group rolling (as shown above). In this case, you will be rolling saves for this model specifically - you are allocating wounds to the model BEFORE they are saved. In this case, you must declare Look out Sir and roll it BEFORE you roll your save. If you pass Look Out Sir - the model that takes the wound then rolls its save.

You perform Look Out Sir immediately after the wound has been allocated. If saves would be taken after allocation - it happens before saves are taken.. If saves have already been taken before allocation, the model that takes the wound never gets any saves after Look Out Sir.