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So, I got offered an alternate spot for the NOVA invitational. Here's what I'm thinking of for a list right now, not entirely sure though.

Rune Priest w/ Runic Armor, Wolf Tail Talisman, Wolftooth Necklace - 135

5x Wolf Guard Terminators w/ Terminator Armor, 2 w/ PF/SS, 2 w/ PF/WC, 1 w/ CF/WC - 250
Drop Pod - 35

Wolf Guard w/ Combi-Melta and Power Axe - 33
8x Grey Hunters w/ Melta and Wolf Standard - 135
Rhino - 35

Wolf Guard w/ Combi-Melta and Power Axe - 33
8x Grey Hunters w/ Melta and Wolf Standard - 135
Rhino - 35

Wolf Guard w/ Combi-Plasma and Wolf Claw - 38
7x Grey Hunters w/ Plasma and Wolf Standard - 125
Rhino - 35

Wolf Guard w/ Combi-Plasma and Wolf Claw - 38
7x Grey Hunters w/ Plasma and Wolf Standard - 125
Rhino - 35

3x Thunderwolves w/ Thunder Hammer - 180

Whirlwind - 85
5x Long Fangs w/ Lascannon and 3x Missile Launchers - 130
5x Long Fangs w/ Lascannon and 3x Missile Launchers - 130

Total - 1747

I like the idea of this squad


But I think you should make a choice between power fist and wolf claw. First of all, you're spending too many points on wargear that is guaranteed not to be used (you can only use one at a time PF or WC). Second of all, this squad can't shoot and it must be able to because it cannot assault on the turn it lands from the drop pod. What about something like this?

EDIT: Also...It's pretty difficult to actually model a terminator with a PF and SS because right handed powerfists and left handed storm shields are rare. (I know from trying this) So even though the PF / SS dude is probably better value for your points than a TH / SS dude, you'll have to do some conversion.



Next, your Rune Priest does NOT need a wolf tooth necklace. He already has WS 5 which means that he hits everything with WS4 or less on a 3+ already. Furthermore, if he ever gets into CC with a model for which the WTN will actually help you, then you might as well kiss your RP goodbye because the WTN isn't going to save him. Save the 10 points and get something else.

I'm not a fan of the Whirlwind, but I know some people like them. I would recommend the changes above and using the 30 points saved to either upgrade the WW to a Vindicator, or add more grey hunters to your squads or ditch the WW altogether for another unit of Long Fangs.

Grugknuckle wrote:I like the idea of this squad

Spoiler:

5x Wolf Guard Terminators w/ Terminator Armor, 2 w/ PF/SS, 2 w/ PF/WC, 1 w/ CF/WC - 250
Drop Pod - 35

But I think you should make a choice between power fist and wolf claw. First of all, you're spending too many points on wargear that is guaranteed not to be used (you can only use one at a time PF or WC). Second of all, this squad can't shoot and it must be able to because it cannot assault on the turn it lands from the drop pod. What about something like this?

EDIT: Also...It's pretty difficult to actually model a terminator with a PF and SS because right handed powerfists and left handed storm shields are rare. (I know from trying this) So even though the PF / SS dude is probably better value for your points than a TH / SS dude, you'll have to do some conversion.

Spoiler:

5x Wolf Guard Terminators w/ Terminator Armor, 2 w/ PF & SS, 2 w/ combi & WC, 1 w/ combi & CF - 230
Drop Pod - 35

Next, your Rune Priest does NOT need a wolf tooth necklace. He already has WS 5 which means that he hits everything with WS4 or less on a 3+ already. Furthermore, if he ever gets into CC with a model for which the WTN will actually help you, then you might as well kiss your RP goodbye because the WTN isn't going to save him. Save the 10 points and get something else.

I'm not a fan of the Whirlwind, but I know some people like them. I would recommend the changes above and using the 30 points saved to either upgrade the WW to a Vindicator, or add more grey hunters to your squads or ditch the WW altogether for another unit of Long Fangs.

The power fist/wolf claw combo is actually one of the best in the game right now, IMO. Due to both having the "Specialist weapon" rule, you get the +1 attack. So on the charge, you get a terminator with either 4 power fist attacks or 4 wolf claw attacks for 48 points; pretty good IMO.
They aren't really supposed to do something the turn they come in from the pod; they either A) Drop near some units such as Long Fangs, Psyflemen, etc that the opponent needs alive, causing firepower to be diverted at them instead of at my other units coming up field, B) Drop out of line of sight and near an objective to provide board control, or C) come in through normal deepstrike (not the drop pod) so they can come in where I need them later in game.

The WTN/WTT are points fillers. I could've thrown on meltabombs on 3 of the grey hunter squads, but I like my lists to be symmetrical for some reason. However, you're probably right, I'll drop them for something else.
The whirlwind was due to me expecting lots of necrons, and I thought the AP4 would be good. However, you're probably right in that a vindicator would serve better.


Rune Priest w/ Living Lightning and Jaws of the World Wolf - 100

5x Wolf Guard Terminators w/ Terminator Armor, 2 w/ PF/SS, 2 w/ PF/WC, 1 w/ CF/WC - 250
Drop Pod - 35

Wolf Guard w/ Combi-Melta and Power Axe - 33
8x Grey Hunters w/ Melta and Wolf Standard - 135
Rhino - 35

Wolf Guard w/ Combi-Melta and Power Axe - 33
8x Grey Hunters w/ Melta and Wolf Standard - 135
Rhino - 35

Wolf Guard w/ Combi-Plasma and Wolf Claw - 38
7x Grey Hunters w/ Plasma and Wolf Standard - 125
Rhino - 35

Wolf Guard w/ Combi-Plasma and Wolf Claw - 38
7x Grey Hunters w/ Plasma and Wolf Standard - 125
Rhino - 35

3x Thunderwolves w/ Thunder Hammer - 180

Vindicator w/ Dozer Blade - 120
5x Long Fangs w/ Lascannon and 3x Missile Launchers - 130
5x Long Fangs w/ Lascannon and 3x Missile Launchers - 130

DarkCorsair wrote:
The power fist/wolf claw combo is actually one of the best in the game right now, IMO. Due to both having the "Specialist weapon" rule, you get the +1 attack. So on the charge, you get a terminator with either 4 power fist attacks or 4 wolf claw attacks for 48 points; pretty good IMO.
They aren't really supposed to do something the turn they come in from the pod; they either A) Drop near some units such as Long Fangs, Psyflemen, etc that the opponent needs alive, causing firepower to be diverted at them instead of at my other units coming up field, B) Drop out of line of sight and near an objective to provide board control, or C) come in through normal deepstrike (not the drop pod) so they can come in where I need them later in game.

Ok...I'm not disagreeing with you about the effectiveness of this combo in CC. What I am saying is that you are getting this extra CC effectiveness at the price of not being able to shoot at all. That means that the ONLY way you are going to make up that 250 points is if you actually get into CC in the first place. So if you don't drop them close to your opponent, then he can just pretend that they're not there at all - thus negating 12.5% of your army (250 points). Yes. They're a close combat death star because you've paid the points to make them that way. Therefore, you should use them aggressively or else they're wasted. Compare this to a Land Raider - also 250 points. But your opponent will devote a very considerable amount of attention to your Land Raider because it is a threat no matter where on the board it happens to be. I'm just sayin'.

The whirlwind was due to me expecting lots of necrons, and I thought the AP4 would be good. However, you're probably right in that a vindicator would serve better.

You know...If you know you'll be facing lots of 4+ armor, then let me recommend a squad of 6 Long Fangs with 5 heavy bolters instead. With 15 shots at S5 and AP4, they'll reliably do a lot more damage to 4+ armor than a single Whirlwind and they only cost 115 points. They're also harder to kill. They can move 6" and still shoot snap shots. They can shoot overwatch if they get charged. And in one of the scenarios (Big Guns Never Tire) they can claim an objective. Use the divination power from the rune priest to give them re-rolls to hit.

Tada! Better? Maybe?

Rune Priest - 100

6x Wolf Guard, 5 are Terminators w/ Terminator Armor, 2 w/ PF/SS, 2 w/ PF/WC, 1 w/ CF/WC, 1 in PA - 268
Land Raider Crusader - 250

Wolf Guard w/ Combi-Melta and Wolf Claw - 38
8x Grey Hunters w/ Melta and Wolf Standard - 135
Rhino - 35

Wolf Guard w/ Combi-Melta and Wolf Claw - 38
8x Grey Hunters w/ Melta and Wolf Standard - 135
Rhino - 35

Wolf Guard w/ Assault Cannon - 63
5x Grey Hunters - 75

Wolf Guard w/ Assault Cannon - 63
5x Grey Hunters - 75

3x Thunderwolves w/ Thunder Hammer - 180

5x Long Fangs w/ Lascannon and 3x Missile Launchers - 130
5x Long Fangs w/ Lascannon and 3x Missile Launchers - 130

Total - 1750

Yes. Now that squad is a huge threat.