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Ok so for shooting and assault how are the saves actually made?

From the book p.16 "When a Wound or unsaved Wound is allocated to one of your character and there is another model from the same unit within 6" he is allowed a Look Out Sir Attempt"

So for shooting what I am reading from the book is that.
1. Allocate Wound
2. Any Save
3. FNP
4. Unsaved Wound
5. Look Out Sir!

A lot of people are talking about mixed wound saves that you have to roll LoS first then roll the Save.

As for FNP it is the same argument of Effects vs FNP.

Since by the time it wounds the target I should be allowed to do FNP anyways.

But for assault it says a Wound instead of Unsaved wound, so the order would be like:
1. Allocate Wound
2. LoS
3. Save
4. FNP

I think the assault one seems right but not sure for shooting.

 Makutsu wrote:
Ok so for shooting and assault how are the saves actually made?

From the book p.16 "When a Wound or unsaved Wound is allocated to one of your character and there is another model from the same unit within 6" he is allowed a Look Out Sir Attempt"

So for shooting what I am reading from the book is that.
1. Allocate Wound
2. Any Save
3. FNP
4. Unsaved Wound
5. Look Out Sir!

A lot of people are talking about mixed wound saves that you have to roll LoS first then roll the Save.

As for FNP it is the same argument of Effects vs FNP.

Since by the time it wounds the target I should be allowed to do FNP anyways.

But for assault it says a Wound instead of Unsaved wound, so the order would be like:
1. Allocate Wound
2. LoS
3. Save
4. FNP

I think the assault one seems right but not sure for shooting.

When you allocate the wound you make the LOS. With mixed armour saves you allocate before you roll the armour save. With the same save you allocate after you roll the saves, see page 15 for more info. FNP happens after a failed save and an allocated unsaved wound.
It is somewhat straightforward and has been hashed out 3-4 times in the last two weeks.

Ahhhh ok, it says when it is allocated ok.

Do this for each group of wounds in the wound pool

All saves the same: Roll all saves, Allocate Unsaved Wound, LOS or not, roll FnP (If all models have the same FnP, you can roll all FnP when you roll the saves)

Mixed saves: Allocate Wound, LOS or not, roll saves, roll FnP...

The key is that LOS triggers immediately on the *allocation*.

So *no* taking a save and then LOS

i see this is a heated topic, but where are we getting the ruling that a LOS is to be taken immediately upon allocation?

is it FAQed? or a certain wording in the rulebook? or has it just been discussed on here to death?

Either way id like to have valid proof because my LGS plays this as the LOS CAN be taken after the armor save, but before any FNP

Its in the look out sir rule itself. It says

when a wound (or unsaved wound) is allocated...

So it happens when the wound is allocated.

Rejn wrote:
i see this is a heated topic, but where are we getting the ruling that a LOS is to be taken immediately upon allocation?
is it FAQed? or a certain wording in the rulebook? or has it just been discussed on here to death?
Either way id like to have valid proof because my LGS plays this as the LOS CAN be taken after the armor save, but before any FNP

Rulebook. Page 16, LOS!: "When a Wound (or unsaved Wound) is allocated ...."

Page 15 has rules for determining whether you allocate Wounds or unsaved Wounds. Easy version:

a) Everyone in the unit has same saving throw.
a.1) Roll saves.
a.2) Allocate Unsaved Wounds.
a.3) Roll LOS! now if you wish.

B) Mixed saves.
b.1) Allocate Wounds.
b.2) Roll LOS! now if you wish.
b.3) Roll saves.

Edit:: as liturgies pointed out, I made a BooBoo and switched places of Unsaved Wounds and Wounds for some reason. Now fixed.

Luide wrote:

Rejn wrote:
i see this is a heated topic, but where are we getting the ruling that a LOS is to be taken immediately upon allocation?
is it FAQed? or a certain wording in the rulebook? or has it just been discussed on here to death?
Either way id like to have valid proof because my LGS plays this as the LOS CAN be taken after the armor save, but before any FNP

Rulebook. Page 16, LOS!: "When a Wound (or unsaved Wound) is allocated ...."

Page 15 has rules for determining whether you allocate Wounds or unsaved Wounds. Easy version:

a) Everyone in the unit has same saving throw.
a.1) Roll saves.
a.2) Allocate Wounds.
a.3) Roll LOS! now if you wish.

B) Mixed saves.
b.1) Allocate unsaved Wounds.
b.2) Roll LOS! now if you wish.
b.3) Roll saves.

Right about everything bar one, an unsaved wound is a wound that cannot be saved or has failed a save. B1 should be allocate wounds while a2 should be unsaved wounds.

Rejn wrote:
my LGS plays this as the LOS CAN be taken after the armor save

Who?

Oh, I know who.

PS- He is incorrect.